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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by

      Would be prudent to tag the developer.

      @olivier

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      • BRRABillB
        BRRABill
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        I figured we could work it out without bugging him. I thought maybe it was some common knowledge things that wasn't common knowledge to me.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
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          The delta functionality by design only pulls in the differences.

          So if you were only taking fulls, you'd have to mount the entire full, to try and restore a file.

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          • BRRABillB
            BRRABill @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in XO File Level Restore Question:

            The delta functionality by design only pulls in the differences.

            So if you were only taking fulls, you'd have to mount the entire full, to try and restore a file.

            So you are saying the delta has the "file structure", but not necessarily the files themselves?

            And that speeds up time to browse the files?

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403
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              The delta initially creates a full (the first time or at compression time) and then pulls a new delta.

              The delta is reading the file system of the VM, and listing the differences from the last delta backup. Then putting those differences into the backup.

              As to whether it as the file structure only or the structure and the files doesn't make sense. The files (and folders) makes the structure.

              It must have both.

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              • BRRABillB
                BRRABill
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                Ah, perhaps I did that wrong.

                I ran a one-time full. Then I ran a one-time delta. Seemed to work.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  Using the delta functionality is the best approach in most cases, as you're backup times are way faster, and each backup is way smaller.

                  Meaning if you have a file server with 15TB of space and you want 1 backup every day, you wouldn't need 450TB of backup space.

                  Maybe 30TB.

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                  • BRRABillB
                    BRRABill
                    last edited by

                    So this is the procedure I did...

                    1. took a full backup
                    2. took a delta backup
                    3. made some changes
                    4. took another delta

                    The first delta, I can do a file level restore. The second, I cannot, and get this in the logs...

                    "message": "Command failed: mount --options=loop,ro --source=/tmp/tmp-807MrncKsoRdVxi/vhdi3 --target=/tmp/tmp-807IHywqgWplCug
                    mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
                    missing codepage or helper program, or other error

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @BRRABill
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                      @BRRABill The fact that you took the full doesn't matter.

                      You took a delta, made some changes and took a second delta.

                      The message you're getting is what needs to be addressed. Which I believe the error means you are missing a critical component to mount the file system.

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                      • BRRABillB
                        BRRABill
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                        Alrighty, guess we'll wait for @olivier

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                        • BRRABillB
                          BRRABill @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                          @BRRABill The fact that you took the full doesn't matter.

                          You took a delta, made some changes and took a second delta.

                          The message you're getting is what needs to be addressed. Which I believe the error means you are missing a critical component to mount the file system.

                          But you are saying if you'd never taken a delta before, if would do a full first, right?

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @BRRABill
                            last edited by

                            @BRRABill said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                            @DustinB3403 said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                            @BRRABill The fact that you took the full doesn't matter.

                            You took a delta, made some changes and took a second delta.

                            The message you're getting is what needs to be addressed. Which I believe the error means you are missing a critical component to mount the file system.

                            But you are saying if you'd never taken a delta before, if would do a full first, right?

                            It should, but it's still marked as a delta in the system. You'll notice it takes longer then the subsequent delta.

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                            • BRRABillB
                              BRRABill
                              last edited by

                              I wonder what would happen if you took a full backup after taking a few deltas.

                              I guess that is the chain part that is confusing me a bit.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @BRRABill
                                last edited by

                                @BRRABill said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                I wonder what would happen if you took a full backup after taking a few deltas.

                                I guess that is the chain part that is confusing me a bit.

                                I wouldn't know. I'd imagine it would be just fine. Unless it's keeping a snapshot on XS for some reason... which could break the chain as the delta backup is looking for a specific set of files.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @BRRABill
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                                  @BRRABill said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                  I wonder what would happen if you took a full backup after taking a few deltas.

                                  I guess that is the chain part that is confusing me a bit.

                                  I would hope if you took another full after taking some deltas that either a) it wouldn't affect the old deltas at all, or b) it would cap them, and any new deltas would be based on the new full backup.

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                                  • BRRABillB
                                    BRRABill @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                    @BRRABill said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                    I wonder what would happen if you took a full backup after taking a few deltas.

                                    I guess that is the chain part that is confusing me a bit.

                                    I would hope if you took another full after taking some deltas that either a) it wouldn't affect the old deltas at all, or b) it would cap them, and any new deltas would be based on the new full backup.

                                    I wonder if this is a backup theory question, or specific to each product.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @BRRABill
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                                      @BRRABill said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                      @Dashrender said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                      @BRRABill said in XO File Level Restore Question:

                                      I wonder what would happen if you took a full backup after taking a few deltas.

                                      I guess that is the chain part that is confusing me a bit.

                                      I would hope if you took another full after taking some deltas that either a) it wouldn't affect the old deltas at all, or b) it would cap them, and any new deltas would be based on the new full backup.

                                      I wonder if this is a backup theory question, or specific to each product.

                                      Probably some of both.

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                                      • BRRABillB
                                        BRRABill
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                                        I ended up posting on their forum.

                                        It's strange.

                                        I have 4 deltas. The first one works, the others do not.

                                        In have been taking deltas every hour. When the second oldest (which cannot be read) becomes the oldest, t can then be read.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @BRRABill
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                                          @BRRABill Hrm... I'm curious if there is a bug...

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                                          • DanpD
                                            Danp
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                                            I upgraded my XO VM today and now the file restore isn't working on many of my VMs.

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