Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff
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Hello everyone, so my dilemma is one of my clients went down this week due to modem and router getting nuked. Apparently the power companies fluctuations caused more damage that we expected. So my client has a Dell (rather had lol) Sonic Wall in place which is basically dead and a business class modem from our cable company. So the cable company will be replacing their modem, no big deal. The router on the other hand isn't that easy obviously.
So I'm stuck and torn between getting one of the Ubiquti routers. This client will only ever have 1 office. Up to but never exceeding 30 staff. Each person has a VoIP phone. They don't do network security cameras but in the future that might be a possibility. In my case with this client I'm thinking of just getting the Ubiquiti Unifi Security Gateway Pro (USG-PRO-4) or the Ubiquiti Networks Edgerouter Poe-5-Port Router with Poe. I actually use the 5 port one in my own office but I realize it gets hotter than Arizona! I'm not sure if it's worth it to just go head and gab the USG.
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@krisleslie I really, detest the USG. Just bleh.
I would buy the ER-4 for anyone new because internet speeds are getting better and the ERL/ER-PoE cannot handle the better speeds with QoS of any type enabled.
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I'm with @JaredBusch. The small extra price for the ER-4 is worth it.
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Thanks guys for the quick help. That's exactly what I'll do!
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@krisleslie said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
Thanks guys for the quick help. That's exactly what I'll do!
I have a 100/10 coax from WOW. But this is the best I can do with an ERL and the built in "Smart Queue" QoS enabled.
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@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
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@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
Don't know. Back then we had ISDN for phones.
But the reason I mentioned it was just lack of knowledge from my part. I assumed that if a cheap home router could do 100Mbps of straight routing in 2008 then even a low cost enterprise router should breeze through 100Mbps of traffic shaping and what have you.
But I have never used an Ubiquiti Edgerouter so I thought they were more powerful. Looking closer I now see they have very modest hardware specs so then 66Mbps of QoS makes complete sense.
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
Don't know. Back then we had ISDN for phones.
But the reason I mentioned it was just lack of knowledge from my part. I assumed that if a cheap home router could do 100Mbps of straight routing in 2008 then even a low cost enterprise router should breeze through 100Mbps of traffic shaping and what have you.
But I have never used an Ubiquiti Edgerouter so I thought they were more powerful. Looking closer I now see they have very modest hardware specs so then 66Mbps of QoS makes complete sense.
And if you compare them to something like a Cisco ISR 4221 and ISR 4321, the ER-X still comes out ahead performance wise. I don't think we even need to discuss price point!
Cisco's own comparison chart: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/4000-series-integrated-services-routers-isr/models-comparison.html
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If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
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@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
Don't know. Back then we had ISDN for phones.
But the reason I mentioned it was just lack of knowledge from my part. I assumed that if a cheap home router could do 100Mbps of straight routing in 2008 then even a low cost enterprise router should breeze through 100Mbps of traffic shaping and what have you.
But I have never used an Ubiquiti Edgerouter so I thought they were more powerful. Looking closer I now see they have very modest hardware specs so then 66Mbps of QoS makes complete sense.
Without QoS, the ERL can do nearly gigabit routing.
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
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@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
The more I read on those, the less impressed I am with them.
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@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
The more I read on those, the less impressed I am with them.
Yeah, Cisco is not creating great kit imo, but it all new gear on techsoup afaik.
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
The more I read on those, the less impressed I am with them.
Yeah, Cisco is not creating great kit imo, but it all new gear on techsoup afaik.
That's just sad.
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Already been on TechSoup for years. No discount or offering from UBNT there, sorry. I went ahead and actually got the ER-6 and the mount kit
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I stopped doing the Smart QoS and queues a long while ago because my speed never got better than 100 Mbps with it. I have 400 Mbps downstream and up to 40-50 Mbps upstream.
