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    • wirestyle22W
      wirestyle22 @MrWright4hire
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      @mrwright4hire said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

      Welcome everyone to my thoughts. I would like to first ask if anyone has and or know of any update tutorials as well as materials to study CCNA. Any help would be appreciative.
      I'm preparing to go for my CCNA and venture off into security. However, I'm seeing a lot of companies expresing that they recognize that experience is more important than those who just have their certification. It really depends on who you go to and or talk to.
      What are your thoughts?

      The knowledge is beneficial but the piece of paper is irrelevant. I use certification books as education paths and then have @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch yell at me until i understand. It's worked well for me. As a side note, Cisco can over-complicate a lot of simple concepts so watch out for that.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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        @wirestyle22 said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

        The knowledge is beneficial but the piece of paper is irrelevant. I use certification books as education paths and then have @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch yell at me until i understand. It's worked well for me. As a side note, Cisco can over-complicate a lot of simple concepts so watch out for that.

        I think Cisco is a bad path for general education. Their material is super Cisco specific and engineered way more to promote the use of their products than they should be. You could say something similar about Windows certs, but operating systems have to be like that in a way that networking does not and Microsoft is certainly better about keeping knowledge and concepts more general. Cisco certs are for Cisco jobs.

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        • IRJI
          IRJ
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          It depends...

          Alot of private employers are following DoD Directive 8570.01 for security jobs. The vast majority in my area require a Sec + for entry level or CISSP for higher level.

          If you do a job search in the Orlando area for "IT Security" or "Cyber Security" you will see almost all are wanting CISSP.

          That being said, they are some terrible CISSPs, but most I know do know their stuff. It's a massively insane test.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

            @wirestyle22 said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

            The knowledge is beneficial but the piece of paper is irrelevant. I use certification books as education paths and then have @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch yell at me until i understand. It's worked well for me. As a side note, Cisco can over-complicate a lot of simple concepts so watch out for that.

            I think Cisco is a bad path for general education. Their material is super Cisco specific and engineered way more to promote the use of their products than they should be. You could say something similar about Windows certs, but operating systems have to be like that in a way that networking does not and Microsoft is certainly better about keeping knowledge and concepts more general. Cisco certs are for Cisco jobs.

            Great business model for Cisco, though. Without CCNA, Cisco would lose a huge market share IMO.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @IRJ
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              @irj said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

              @scottalanmiller said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

              @wirestyle22 said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

              The knowledge is beneficial but the piece of paper is irrelevant. I use certification books as education paths and then have @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch yell at me until i understand. It's worked well for me. As a side note, Cisco can over-complicate a lot of simple concepts so watch out for that.

              I think Cisco is a bad path for general education. Their material is super Cisco specific and engineered way more to promote the use of their products than they should be. You could say something similar about Windows certs, but operating systems have to be like that in a way that networking does not and Microsoft is certainly better about keeping knowledge and concepts more general. Cisco certs are for Cisco jobs.

              Great business model for Cisco, though. Without CCNA, Cisco would lose a huge market share IMO.

              Yes, they all learned that model from Novell. If only Novell had learned it.

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              • wirestyle22W
                wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                @irj said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                @scottalanmiller said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                @wirestyle22 said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                The knowledge is beneficial but the piece of paper is irrelevant. I use certification books as education paths and then have @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch yell at me until i understand. It's worked well for me. As a side note, Cisco can over-complicate a lot of simple concepts so watch out for that.

                I think Cisco is a bad path for general education. Their material is super Cisco specific and engineered way more to promote the use of their products than they should be. You could say something similar about Windows certs, but operating systems have to be like that in a way that networking does not and Microsoft is certainly better about keeping knowledge and concepts more general. Cisco certs are for Cisco jobs.

                Great business model for Cisco, though. Without CCNA, Cisco would lose a huge market share IMO.

                Yes, they all learned that model from Novell. If only Novell had learned it.

                It amazes me how much I hear Novell referenced. People are still upset it failed.

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce
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                  https://www.microfocus.com/novell/

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                  • wirestyle22W
                    wirestyle22 @Obsolesce
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                    @obsolesce I know technically it's still around, but it failed.

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce
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                      Yeah many people are still having trouble getting over it... people still bring it up as if their 30 year old Novell certification has any merit today.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                        @wirestyle22 said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                        @irj said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                        @wirestyle22 said in Certifications! Are they still worth pursuing?:

                        The knowledge is beneficial but the piece of paper is irrelevant. I use certification books as education paths and then have @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch yell at me until i understand. It's worked well for me. As a side note, Cisco can over-complicate a lot of simple concepts so watch out for that.

                        I think Cisco is a bad path for general education. Their material is super Cisco specific and engineered way more to promote the use of their products than they should be. You could say something similar about Windows certs, but operating systems have to be like that in a way that networking does not and Microsoft is certainly better about keeping knowledge and concepts more general. Cisco certs are for Cisco jobs.

                        Great business model for Cisco, though. Without CCNA, Cisco would lose a huge market share IMO.

                        Yes, they all learned that model from Novell. If only Novell had learned it.

                        It amazes me how much I hear Novell referenced. People are still upset it failed.

                        Not many, it was pretty crappy. Stable, but archaic, even at its peak. But they did a lot to give us much of Suse, so that's good.

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