VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.
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@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@scottalanmiller said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Skyetel said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
FWIW - We only top you up to your "Fraud Limit" which is a hard limit on how much we will automatically top you up. By default, the fraud limit is $1,000. This means that we will stop charging your credit card automatically once we have collected $1000 within that month. You can see this fraud limit on the rates & fees page in our portal, and it can only be adjusted by opening a support request.
Nice that it can be adjusted. I'm curious, why is the limit so high to start with? Are most of your customers anywhere near that limit for normal monthly billing?
Well, for a fraud limit, you need it way higher than anyone's normal. Like at least 2-3 times higher, or its useless. You don't want fraud alerts for "a busy month" of normal traffic.
NTG is around $400/mo of real traffic, so $1,000 is actually on the low side for us as a fraud limit.
Sure, which is why I asked if the norm was pretty high... The adjustment via support I assume can be up or down. $1000 just seem like a high starting number to me, but then again I'm dealing with tiny sites where the average monthly bill is $30, so a spike means $90 - $1000 is more than two years worth of billing.
Just a question, not a wrong or right answer from Skyetel.
Yea, you can adjust it up or down. Among our customers, $25 is our lowest and our highest is $50,000. The system has a minimum of $10 and a maximum of $100,000. Anything above that and we require a separate agreement, letters of credit from a bank, and we switch you to Invoicing instead of auto-recharge.
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@Skyetel said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@scottalanmiller said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Skyetel said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
FWIW - We only top you up to your "Fraud Limit" which is a hard limit on how much we will automatically top you up. By default, the fraud limit is $1,000. This means that we will stop charging your credit card automatically once we have collected $1000 within that month. You can see this fraud limit on the rates & fees page in our portal, and it can only be adjusted by opening a support request.
Nice that it can be adjusted. I'm curious, why is the limit so high to start with? Are most of your customers anywhere near that limit for normal monthly billing?
Well, for a fraud limit, you need it way higher than anyone's normal. Like at least 2-3 times higher, or its useless. You don't want fraud alerts for "a busy month" of normal traffic.
NTG is around $400/mo of real traffic, so $1,000 is actually on the low side for us as a fraud limit.
Sure, which is why I asked if the norm was pretty high... The adjustment via support I assume can be up or down. $1000 just seem like a high starting number to me, but then again I'm dealing with tiny sites where the average monthly bill is $30, so a spike means $90 - $1000 is more than two years worth of billing.
Just a question, not a wrong or right answer from Skyetel.
Yea, you can adjust it up or down. Among our customers, $25 is our lowest and our highest is $50,000. The system has a minimum of $10 and a maximum of $100,000. Anything above that and we require a separate agreement, letters of credit from a bank, and we switch you to Invoicing instead of auto-recharge.
I'm surprised it's that high for moving to invoicing, CC fees can be killers. But very cool on the rest!
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@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Skyetel said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@scottalanmiller said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Skyetel said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
FWIW - We only top you up to your "Fraud Limit" which is a hard limit on how much we will automatically top you up. By default, the fraud limit is $1,000. This means that we will stop charging your credit card automatically once we have collected $1000 within that month. You can see this fraud limit on the rates & fees page in our portal, and it can only be adjusted by opening a support request.
Nice that it can be adjusted. I'm curious, why is the limit so high to start with? Are most of your customers anywhere near that limit for normal monthly billing?
Well, for a fraud limit, you need it way higher than anyone's normal. Like at least 2-3 times higher, or its useless. You don't want fraud alerts for "a busy month" of normal traffic.
NTG is around $400/mo of real traffic, so $1,000 is actually on the low side for us as a fraud limit.
Sure, which is why I asked if the norm was pretty high... The adjustment via support I assume can be up or down. $1000 just seem like a high starting number to me, but then again I'm dealing with tiny sites where the average monthly bill is $30, so a spike means $90 - $1000 is more than two years worth of billing.
Just a question, not a wrong or right answer from Skyetel.
Yea, you can adjust it up or down. Among our customers, $25 is our lowest and our highest is $50,000. The system has a minimum of $10 and a maximum of $100,000. Anything above that and we require a separate agreement, letters of credit from a bank, and we switch you to Invoicing instead of auto-recharge.
I'm surprised it's that high for moving to invoicing, CC fees can be killers. But very cool on the rest!
Ah - we can move people to invoicing at any amount over ~$3,000/mo. It just comes with a contract. Larger companies or school districts can't use credit cards, so they have to be invoiced. They also can't just click "Accept" to terms of service. Lawyers have to get involved, terms and rate sheets agreed to, etc. Its a whole thing and we accommodate them. The vast majority of our customers use prepay like everyone here and is the method we recommend and prefer.
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@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
seem like a high starting number to me
duh because
@Dashrender said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
tiny sites where the average monthly bill is $30
I deal with much larger on a semi-regualr basis. Sadly not any on @Skyetel yet. But not for a lack of prodding.
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I'm just checking if I missed something.
We use invoicing so we are billed once a month. Does that mean we are at risk for racking up lots of cost for a hacked SIP account? How exactly can a sip account be hacked?
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@Pete-S said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
How exactly can a sip account be hacked?
Someone gets your username/password and gets into your system.
It's not the account or SIP that is hacked. It's normally your pbx or phone.
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@scottalanmiller said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Pete-S said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
How exactly can a sip account be hacked?
Someone gets your username/password and gets into your system.
It's not the account or SIP that is hacked. It's normally your pbx or phone.
more specifically, it is usually open provisioning servers allowing extension credentials to leak.
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@JaredBusch said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@scottalanmiller said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
@Pete-S said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
How exactly can a sip account be hacked?
Someone gets your username/password and gets into your system.
It's not the account or SIP that is hacked. It's normally your pbx or phone.
more specifically, it is usually open provisioning servers allowing extension credentials to leak.
Thanks, it makes sense.
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@JaredBusch said in VoIP Services and AUTO TOP-UP prepaid billing.:
it is usually open provisioning servers
Would this be a server that is not using whitelists for access?
