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    • mlnewsM
      mlnews
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      HAProxy, the leader in open source network proxy and load balancing, has just released version 1.6. HAProxy and F5 own nearly the entire load balancing market with HAProxy becoming very popular in cloud scenarios like Amazon AWS and Digital Ocean.

      Check out the new features in HAProxy 1.6.

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      • DashrenderD
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        not that I have the need, but is HAProxy free? I'd like to assume yes because it's Open Source, but I want to ask to make sure.

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        • scottalanmillerS
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          HAProxy is completely free & open source as well.

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          • scottalanmillerS
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            I believe that Digital Ocean has some good how tos on setting up HAProxy there if you wanted to play with it in an easy way. It is something to put onto my long term project list to work with. I've used HAProxy but have not built an infrastructure from scratch.

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              Jason Banned @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said:

              not that I have the need, but is HAProxy free? I'd like to assume yes because it's Open Source, but I want to ask to make sure.

              There's a free version and an enterprise version which is subscription based. Both are open source, but the enterpise version is just a customized one by a third party and isn't the official one and is rather dumb.

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              • DashrenderD
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                @Jason said:

                @Dashrender said:

                not that I have the need, but is HAProxy free? I'd like to assume yes because it's Open Source, but I want to ask to make sure.

                There's a free version and an enterprise version which is subscription based. Both are open source, but the enterpise version is just a customized one by a third party and isn't the official one and is rather dumb.

                Sure, but the support could be worth it for some!

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said:

                  Sure, but the support could be worth it for some!

                  Is the support better on the enterprise one?

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @Dashrender said:

                    Sure, but the support could be worth it for some!

                    Is the support better on the enterprise one?

                    I'll admit I was making an assumption that if you're subscribing to someone who customized the Open Sources project, they are probably selling dedicated support - but I could be wrong.

                    I have no idea if it's actually better. What's the support for the OS one? Just forums based, right? Not very helpful in an emergency.

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                      Jason Banned
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                      Where's the support for Microsoft?

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @Jason
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                        @Jason said:

                        Where's the support for Microsoft?

                        On the Server side? $250-300 per incident - and Fraking awesome in my experience.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @Dashrender said:

                          Sure, but the support could be worth it for some!

                          Is the support better on the enterprise one?

                          I'll admit I was making an assumption that if you're subscribing to someone who customized the Open Sources project, they are probably selling dedicated support - but I could be wrong.

                          Im sure that they sell it but is it better than what the standard product gets?

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                            Jason Banned @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said:

                            @Jason said:

                            Where's the support for Microsoft?

                            On the Server side? $250-300 per incident - and Fraking awesome in my experience.

                            You've actually used it? We even have people that used to be at MS on our staff that say that was one of their biggest money making scams.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said:

                              I have no idea if it's actually better. What's the support for the OS one? Just forums based, right? Not very helpful in an emergency.

                              I know of NO enterprise OS product in history that has no support but forums. That's something that theoretically just doesn't exist. Where there are products, there is support. Conceptually the "forum only" support model just has never happened and logically wont because there is too much market for providing support.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said:

                                @Jason said:

                                Where's the support for Microsoft?

                                On the Server side? $250-300 per incident - and Fraking awesome in my experience.

                                Been a month with Office 365 not working. We've rarely had great Microsoft support experiences. Often they fail to fix things and stop trying until you go public and start posting about it. And even then it remains a challenge. They can have great support, but by and large, I know of no enterprise open source business in the same category. Microsoft stands alone at the very bottom of the support pile for business software.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @Jason
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                                  @Jason said:

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @Jason said:

                                  Where's the support for Microsoft?

                                  On the Server side? $250-300 per incident - and Fraking awesome in my experience.

                                  You've actually used it? We even have people that used to be at MS on our staff that say that was one of their biggest money making scams.

                                  Eh? I only pay for support when I need it. I didn't/don't have a support contract.

                                  I've made 3 paid calls in the 20+ years I've been doing IT work for pay.

                                  Two of them were the best support calls I've ever made. One, the tech was on the phone with me for 8 hours, then we took a break and got back on the phone for another 4.

                                  I don't recall the details from call two.

                                  The most recent call only wasn't a dream because MS didn't have enough support personal on staff when I called at 1 AM CDT. I had to wait for someone to come in at 3 AM because the other tech who was there was already on a call with someone else.
                                  But, once that second tech arrived, we had my problem fixed within 1 hour.

                                  I consider this a pretty big success!

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    I had to wait for someone to come in at 3 AM because the other tech who was there was already on a call with someone else.
                                    But, once that second tech arrived, we had my problem fixed within 1 hour.

                                    I consider this a pretty big success!

                                    That depends, was the issue something that should have taken three hours to fix? Was the issue your fault and not theirs? Lots of factors. Nothing intrinsic about paying that kind of money and getting something fixed in three hours that makes it good or bad. None of the factors that would determine that are included here.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      I had to wait for someone to come in at 3 AM because the other tech who was there was already on a call with someone else.
                                      But, once that second tech arrived, we had my problem fixed within 1 hour.

                                      I consider this a pretty big success!

                                      That depends, was the issue something that should have taken three hours to fix? Was the issue your fault and not theirs? Lots of factors. Nothing intrinsic about paying that kind of money and getting something fixed in three hours that makes it good or bad. None of the factors that would determine that are included here.

                                      Your question is weird. - was the issue something that should have taken three hours to fix?

                                      I'm not really sure how to respond... I'd like to say - uh well no of course not because I told you that it only took one hour or less to fix once I got the tech on the phone.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        I had to wait for someone to come in at 3 AM because the other tech who was there was already on a call with someone else.
                                        But, once that second tech arrived, we had my problem fixed within 1 hour.

                                        I consider this a pretty big success!

                                        That depends, was the issue something that should have taken three hours to fix? Was the issue your fault and not theirs? Lots of factors. Nothing intrinsic about paying that kind of money and getting something fixed in three hours that makes it good or bad. None of the factors that would determine that are included here.

                                        Your question is weird. - was the issue something that should have taken three hours to fix?

                                        I'm not really sure how to respond... I'd like to say - uh well no of course not because I told you that it only took one hour or less to fix once I got the tech on the phone.

                                        So what makes you consider the cost and the delay in response a success? What is the bar for success in a support case?

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          So what makes you consider the cost and the delay in response a success? What is the bar for success in a support case?

                                          Aww, you're taking my last line

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          I consider this a pretty big success!

                                          To mean the last call was a success - no, OK that particular call was subpar at best... I was referring to calling MS in general a success - though I guess someone will argue that 2/3 calls to support being 'good' is perhaps not good enough. This is a point I won't argue either way. I will simply say I'm happy to continue using MS support for these types of problems.

                                          I would perhaps consider using a consultant to fix these issues, but the reality is that they will cost many times what I paid MS to fix the issue. The first call that I spent 10+ hours on with them would have cost me over $2000 in consulting, and probably double that considering it was from midnight until until noon the next day. Instead it was only $250.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            I would perhaps consider using a consultant to fix these issues, but the reality is that they will cost many times what I paid MS to fix the issue. The first call that I spent 10+ hours on with them would have cost me over $2000 in consulting, and probably double that considering it was from midnight until until noon the next day. Instead it was only $250.

                                            That's true, but you almost get "fixit" support, not guidance from MS and it is an incident. So it makes you far more likely to have issues because they don't work to prevent them.

                                            You'd have to compare to support from vendors like Red Hat to see what it can be like. RH support is fantastic.

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