SOHO and SMB Cloud Storage Recommendations
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@BRRABill said:
So it would be a close/even/ competitor to DropBox for Business?
They are very similar. ODfB integrates with the whole O365 stack, though, so if you have that nothing will compare.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They are very similar. ODfB integrates with the whole O365 stack, though, so if you have that nothing will compare.
Yeah as you know, as much as I complain I do like Microsoft, and almost everyone else I deal with also does.
So I'll have to look into ODfB.
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The Office 365 suite is really nice because of the high degree of integration. Google Apps has just as good integration but lacks the broad set of applications. It's having both the integration as well as the local MS Office suite, the really large set of MS Office components and the mix of Exchange and SharePoint that brings it all together.
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As nice as O365 is for us it just doesn't make financial sense with O365 E3 . We are looking at Exchange Online Plan 2 though.
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It's worth pointing out that Office integrates really nicely with Google Drive via the Drive plug-in for Microsoft Office, available to download from Google. I've tested it and it works pretty well.
From a financial point of view, it may not make sense to pay for an O365 subscription AND a Google Drive subscription. You'd probably have to really prefer Drive to want use Office but not not use ODfB.
On the other hand, smaller companies may prefer to buy Office retail licences and use Drive, which would be a cost effective solution. If I was a SOHO then that is what I'd do.
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Interesting, did not know that MS Office offered that. Do you know if they offer similar for DropBox or other services?
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Google provide the plug-in, not Microsoft. Installing it also add a "Google Drive" tab to the ribbon in Word and Excel.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
On the other hand, smaller companies may prefer to buy Office retail licences and use Drive, which would be a cost effective solution. If I was a SOHO then that is what I'd do.
SMBs get Office 365 with email & office pretty cheap. Enterprise is where we draw the short stick the pricing of it rarely makes since. It's about a $9 dollar difference in price for those with less than 300 users compare to use with the higher prices for enterprise.
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Yeah, but you get Access thrown in
At 300+ users can't you negotiate with them on price? Especially if you're considering Google instead. I assumed enterprises always ended up doing deals rather than paying the advertised rate. Is that not the case?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Yeah, but you get Access thrown in
At 300+ users can't you negotiate with them on price? Especially if you're considering Google instead. I assumed enterprises always ended up doing deals rather than paying the advertised rate. Is that not the case?
With an EA you get slightly better price than the list of O365 but it's not much better. Still buying seats of office, CALs, and Exchange online is cheaper for us then Office 365 plan E3. We aren't considering google.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Yeah, but you get Access thrown in
Exactly. This is why we buy office standard not Pro plus. Even if we had Access we would not have it installed on users computers.
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@Jason said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Yeah, but you get Access thrown in
At 300+ users can't you negotiate with them on price? Especially if you're considering Google instead. I assumed enterprises always ended up doing deals rather than paying the advertised rate. Is that not the case?
With an EA you get slightly better price than the list of O365 but it's not much better. Still buying seats of office, CALs, and Exchange online is cheaper for us then Office 365 plan E3. We aren't considering google.
You're also not considering the other pieces that O365 bring to the table.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Yeah, but you get Access thrown in
How much do you have to pay to get them to remove it is the question
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@Carnival-Boy said:
At 300+ users can't you negotiate with them on price? Especially if you're considering Google instead. I assumed enterprises always ended up doing deals rather than paying the advertised rate. Is that not the case?
300 is so small, that's nowhere near the point where you have leverage to talk special pricing. Enterprises can do deals, 300 is on the small end of the SMB. Enterprises do, of course, always get custom deals. It's called EA, Enterprise Agreement. At 300 it isn't worth the cost of the negotiations to either side, nor would MS entertain it. They have stock agreements for companies bigger than that.
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I don't really get the logic of it (but that's marketing for you). Normally, the more users you have, the better pricing you get. But here, a company with 100 users gets a better deal than one with 300.
OK, they actually get a smaller product range rather than worse pricing - but the result is the same.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
At 300+ users can't you negotiate with them on price? Especially if you're considering Google instead. I assumed enterprises always ended up doing deals rather than paying the advertised rate. Is that not the case?
300 is so small, that's nowhere near the point where you have leverage to talk special pricing. Enterprises can do deals, 300 is on the small end of the SMB. Enterprises do, of course, always get custom deals. It's called EA, Enterprise Agreement. At 300 it isn't worth the cost of the negotiations to either side, nor would MS entertain it. They have stock agreements for companies bigger than that.
We get a few dollars off with 22,000 users we were looking at. But, it's only guaranteed pricing for one year. We have no idea if they offer the discount the following year or not. It made us think it might just be an intro offer to get you stuff on it with our EA pricing and then going up each year. They count not just how many users you have but also how much other things you've bought from Microsoft in the past year under your EA. It's a bit of a gamble though.
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@Dashrender said:
You're also not considering the other pieces that O365 bring to the table.
For us it doesn't bring anything else to the table.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I don't really get the logic of it (but that's marketing for you). Normally, the more users you have, the better pricing you get. But here, a company with 100 users gets a better deal than one with 300.
OK, they actually get a smaller product range rather than worse pricing - but the result is the same.
Actually in things like this smaller companies very often get better pricing - because they get far less value from the product and the hope is that they will grow.
Although the result is really not the same. For a 300 person company the value to things like SharePoint and Yammer are generally decently large. Smaller companies might lack the resources to even set them up.
At 100 users the "network effect" of O365 products is not as valuable as it is to a 300 and the chances of being multi-site are lower. There are many factors.
Scale normally only gets you a discount if you can leverage that scale. At 300, you cannot. But at 100, you are too easy of a customer to lose, so there is a discount tied to getting less capability.
Seems very logical to me. A 100 person company could pretty easily just install Linux and be done with it or use other free products. At 300, chances are you are a lot more addicted to Exchange.
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Well it's not logical to me. Not at 22,000 users.
