Switching to the Nylas N1 Email Client
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I guess my biggest concern with an app like this is that they have access to my email... I guess I'm not comfortable with yet another company potentially having access to my email.
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I can see where people would not like people having access to their email, but one we accept that tons of companies we don't trust (ISP, NSA) do have access to it and have no accountability that having companies we do trust (Microsoft, Nylas) have access when they do have accountability doesn't really seem to matter.
Do I like people having access to my email? Not really. Do I care? Not much. It's so much better than what is already happening to my email that I don't see it as worth really thinking about.
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@scottalanmiller So your saying that SSL is broken?
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@anonymous said:
@scottalanmiller So your saying that SSL is broken?
I think we can be pretty sure of that. It's one of the best tools that we have, and companies like Lenovo work really hard to bypass it for their own purposes because it isn't trivial to break, but it is pretty safe to assume that one way or another, people have access to your data.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@anonymous said:
@scottalanmiller So your saying that SSL is broken?
I think we can be pretty sure of that. It's one of the best tools that we have, and companies like Lenovo work really hard to bypass it for their own purposes because it isn't trivial to break, but it is pretty safe to assume that one way or another, people have access to your data.
This is why it's important to send sensitive data in some encrypted from that your average hacker won't have access to easily hack. [tinfoilhat] Although, arguably, one still has to wonder if the NSA has included back doors into these encryption algorythms so they can get to your data anyway [/tinfoilhat]
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@anonymous said:
@scottalanmiller So your saying that SSL is broken?
I think we can be pretty sure of that. It's one of the best tools that we have, and companies like Lenovo work really hard to bypass it for their own purposes because it isn't trivial to break, but it is pretty safe to assume that one way or another, people have access to your data.
This is why it's important to send sensitive data in some encrypted from that your average hacker won't have access to easily hack. [tinfoilhat] Although, arguably, one still has to wonder if the NSA has included back doors into these encryption algorithms so they can get to your data anyway [/tinfoilhat]
Clearly they have tried. The NSA got RSA to use a Random Number Generator that the NSA was behind and it was discovered a few years ago that it was rather vulnerable to decryption attack. RSA got a black eye over it, but not enough that anyone really cared.
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
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@Dashrender said:
Clearly they have tried. The NSA got RSA to use a Random Number Generator that the NSA was behind and it was discovered a few years ago that it was rather vulnerable to decryption attack. RSA got a black eye over it, but not enough that anyone really cared.
Well... enough that a lot of people don't associated RSA with serious security. RSA is regularly mocked as are people paying their prices. RSA used to stand for security, I don't know anyone who feels that way today. That you even remember this as a non-security researcher shows just how deeply that memory goes.
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@Dashrender said:
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
As long as the implementations are open source. Open source is the only real protection against the government.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
As long as the implementations are open source. Open source is the only real protection against the government.
Oh, absolutely!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Clearly they have tried. The NSA got RSA to use a Random Number Generator that the NSA was behind and it was discovered a few years ago that it was rather vulnerable to decryption attack. RSA got a black eye over it, but not enough that anyone really cared.
Well... enough that a lot of people don't associated RSA with serious security. RSA is regularly mocked as are people paying their prices. RSA used to stand for security, I don't know anyone who feels that way today. That you even remember this as a non-security researcher shows just how deeply that memory goes.
I only do because of the podcasts I listen to.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
As long as the implementations are open source. Open source is the only real protection against the government.
But then you have to trust the compiler that you are using to not insert a back door into your product... (Didn't we have a topic about this a while back?)
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
As long as the implementations are open source. Open source is the only real protection against the government.
But then you have to trust the compiler that you are using to not insert a back door into your product... (Didn't we have a topic about this a while back?)
We did. And we can, thanks to... open source compilers!
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
As long as the implementations are open source. Open source is the only real protection against the government.
But then you have to trust the compiler that you are using to not insert a back door into your product... (Didn't we have a topic about this a while back?)
Yeah, it was an iOS compiler in China. People were downloading a bootleg version of the compiler instead of paying Apple huge money for it.
Man, at the point Apple should have made the compiler free. They should focus on making money from selling apps in the store, not the compiler.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Luckily we do have a fair amount of white hat hackers out there looking over the commonly used encryption protocols that I don't believe that they themselves have been compromised. Instead the NSA, FBI, HS, local police, etc all use viruii to infect endpoints that they want to surveil
As long as the implementations are open source. Open source is the only real protection against the government.
But then you have to trust the compiler that you are using to not insert a back door into your product... (Didn't we have a topic about this a while back?)
We did. And we can, thanks to... open source compilers!
But you still have to compile the compiler... but the software that compiles the compiler must be first compiled by a trusted compiler.... and so on to infinity.
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Slightly un-derailing this thread -- Are you still enjoying the Email Client? lol.
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@dafyre said:
Slightly un-derailing this thread -- Are you still enjoying the Email Client? lol.
So far, so good.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
Slightly un-derailing this thread -- Are you still enjoying the Email Client? lol.
So far, so good.
How does it stack up with say... Evolution?
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Haven't used Evolution in forever, but last I knew Evolution was a pain to connect to Office 365. This was as easy as signing into Office 365, which I have to do every day or so. This is great.
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No calendar yet, though. I really hope to see that soon.
