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    • Mike DavisM
      Mike Davis
      last edited by Mike Davis

      There are also the anti big brother users that don't want people to know when they come in/leave/are idle...
      In Lync 2010 I had an on prem server and Lync started at logon, and autosigned in. I still had users that would click settings and exit as soon as it launched. At that point, it became a HR issue.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by

        Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

        But I need information to do it.

        Often when I have a client on the phone, so it's not like I can run down Employee B.

        And they do it because they're LAF's nothing with "big brother" being signed out of SfB doesn't stop me from tracking the computer equipment we hand out to them.

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch @DustinB3403
          last edited by

          @DustinB3403 said:

          Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

          Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said:

            Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

            But I need information to do it.

            Often when I have a client on the phone, so it's not like I can run down Employee B.

            If an employee is choosing to not be found, that's an HR issue already.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
              last edited by

              @JaredBusch said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

              Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

              True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said:

                @JaredBusch said:

                @DustinB3403 said:

                Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

                Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

                True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                Again, it is not your issue to fix.

                You report it. Repeatedly. Every time it is reported to you. There is no other responsibility for you on this. If you are doing anything else, you are wasting company money (your wage) chasing something that is not your problem to resolve.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                  You've provided them. Why is anything further your issue?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    @JaredBusch said:

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    @JaredBusch said:

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

                    Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

                    True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                    Again, it is not your issue to fix.

                    You report it. Repeatedly. Every time it is reported to you. There is no other responsibility for you on this. If you are doing anything else, you are wasting company money (your wage) chasing something that is not your problem to resolve.

                    That it appears they have no interest in resolving.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @JaredBusch said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @JaredBusch said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

                      Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

                      True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                      Again, it is not your issue to fix.

                      You report it. Repeatedly. Every time it is reported to you. There is no other responsibility for you on this. If you are doing anything else, you are wasting company money (your wage) chasing something that is not your problem to resolve.

                      That it appears they have no interest in resolving.

                      Right, but that is not his concern directly. Granted I would be looking to go above the people not resolving it.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                        last edited by

                        @JaredBusch said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @JaredBusch said:

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        @JaredBusch said:

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

                        Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

                        True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                        Again, it is not your issue to fix.

                        You report it. Repeatedly. Every time it is reported to you. There is no other responsibility for you on this. If you are doing anything else, you are wasting company money (your wage) chasing something that is not your problem to resolve.

                        That it appears they have no interest in resolving.

                        Right, but that is not his concern directly. Granted I would be looking to go above the people not resolving it.

                        that was my point. Not only is he trying to resolve an issue that they haven't told him to resolve, they don't appear to even believe that it is an issue. So they might not be resolving it because they don't want to.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          @JaredBusch said:

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

                          Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

                          True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                          Why do you care if they use it or not?

                          I'll tell you why, because they are still bitching about it!

                          I have the same problem - the phones suck, why aren't people answering the phone? Why, because they are choosing not to, either because they see who is calling, or because they choose to be away from their desk doing something else, instead of answering the phone.

                          This is not a technology problem, this is definitely an HR problem.

                          Sadly, management just can't seem to see that and instead just keeps bitching, making us a bunch of nervous wrecks.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said:

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            @JaredBusch said:

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            Yeah @Mike-Davis I totally get that, the big issue is I have is I'm a leg it guy. I get shit done.

                            Completely not relevant. It is not your problem to solve. you give it to their management or HR as directed. This is not a technology issue.

                            True... if management would enforce the tools we've been told to provide.

                            Why do you care if they use it or not?

                            I'll tell you why, because they are still bitching about it!

                            I have the same problem - the phones suck, why aren't people answering the phone? Why, because they are choosing not to, either because they see who is calling, or because they choose to be away from their desk doing something else, instead of answering the phone.

                            This is not a technology problem, this is definitely an HR problem.

                            Sadly, management just can't seem to see that and instead just keeps bitching, making us a bunch of nervous wrecks.

                            I am available for hire if you want someone to come in and write a bunch of reports on phone usage highlighting the actual time.

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                            • quicky2gQ
                              quicky2g
                              last edited by

                              When we got SFB our boss told us he expected us to be online with an appropriate status. We're in different states so it's especially important. We also use the mobile app.

                              It's pretty annoying when you see someone offline for days and days but they're working, or someone that's available but doesn't answer IM's or calls because they walked away from their desk and didn't change status.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @quicky2g
                                last edited by

                                @quicky2g said:

                                When we got SFB our boss told us he expected us to be online with an appropriate status. We're in different states so it's especially important. We also use the mobile app.

                                It's pretty annoying when you see someone offline for days and days but they're working, or someone that's available but doesn't answer IM's or calls because they walked away from their desk and didn't change status.

                                I can definitely understand the changing status thing.

                                If the status can be tied to something like the screensaver being active (MS messenger did that) and then set the screensaver to something like 2-3 mins, at least you'll show up as away from desk when you're not actively using the computer. Can't make a user login when they are there though... that's straight up HR issue.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @quicky2g said:

                                  When we got SFB our boss told us he expected us to be online with an appropriate status. We're in different states so it's especially important. We also use the mobile app.

                                  It's pretty annoying when you see someone offline for days and days but they're working, or someone that's available but doesn't answer IM's or calls because they walked away from their desk and didn't change status.

                                  I can definitely understand the changing status thing.

                                  If the status can be tied to something like the screensaver being active (MS messenger did that) and then set the screensaver to something like 2-3 mins, at least you'll show up as away from desk when you're not actively using the computer. Can't make a user login when they are there though... that's straight up HR issue.

                                  I've had companies do that and it was bad. The screensaver is disruptive to work and very misleading as to status. If I'm at my desk working but not working on the computer, which was really common, I'd be marked as away while sitting right there able to get a message. Even when I had multiple devices being watched for messages it would tell people that I was away. Very frustrating when people would constantly complain about me being away from work while I'm sitting at my effing desk working but they used an algorithm based on things like mouse movement to determine if I was "around."

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    I can see what you are saying - but why would the person who wants to talk to you not just send a note anyway? this way you can respond when you return.

                                    I've never not sent a note when I've seen AFK - I post anyway, and when they return they answer me. It's what makes messaging so awesome.

                                    By that same token, is one to assume that just because your client doesn't report you at AFK that you are sitting their idly waiting for them to talk to you? Of course I'm being melodramatic on purpose, but you get my point. Just because I'm not listed at AFK doesn't mean I'm going to respond to you the moment you message me.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      I can see what you are saying - but why would the person who wants to talk to you not just send a note anyway? this way you can respond when you return.

                                      One has to wonder, but my guess is because they are looking for excuses to not work and it is a convenient one. Why have the status at all if they were going to be practical and use email? The status only exists because they are unwilling to use email.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        I can see what you are saying - but why would the person who wants to talk to you not just send a note anyway? this way you can respond when you return.

                                        One has to wonder, but my guess is because they are looking for excuses to not work and it is a convenient one. Why have the status at all if they were going to be practical and use email? The status only exists because they are unwilling to use email.

                                        Well, I hate email - I understand the nice things about it.. but the live'ish nature of chat can make conversations a bit more meaningful sometimes.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          I can see what you are saying - but why would the person who wants to talk to you not just send a note anyway? this way you can respond when you return.

                                          One has to wonder, but my guess is because they are looking for excuses to not work and it is a convenient one. Why have the status at all if they were going to be practical and use email? The status only exists because they are unwilling to use email.

                                          Well, I hate email - I understand the nice things about it.. but the live'ish nature of chat can make conversations a bit more meaningful sometimes.

                                          That's fine, but it causes interruptions and problems like expectations of status. If people would use it like email it wouldn't have those problems, but it would act like email.

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                                            Alex Sage @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            employees who never login.

                                            Fire the employee. Problem Solved.

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