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    Virtualization Build - Punch holes in this build please

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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @Dashrender
      last edited by

      @Dashrender said:

      @DustinB3403

      12x 960GB 2.5" SATA MLC Solid State Drive (Edge Server Enterprise Class) ($399.99/Each)

      Damn, that's what I paid for my 1 TB drives from HP a few years ago...

      1TB SSD from a few years ago?

      Or Spinning Rust from a few years ago?

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said:

        @Dashrender said:

        @DustinB3403

        12x 960GB 2.5" SATA MLC Solid State Drive (Edge Server Enterprise Class) ($399.99/Each)

        Damn, that's what I paid for my 1 TB drives from HP a few years ago...

        1TB SSD from a few years ago?

        Or Spinning Rust from a few years ago?

        Spinning rust.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender
          last edited by

          I have a nearly 5 year old IBM server that if I replaced it with SSDs would probably last me another 5+ years.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
            last edited by

            @Dashrender said:

            Doesn't using a Scale device change his risk solution?

            As I understood it, Dustin plans to have two nearly synced servers over two diverse locations. In addition to that he'll have offsite backup at Rackspace or someone else.

            This allows for the company to completely loose a location and stay up and running completely (though networking will have to be considered to make sure things flow correctly).

            With a Scale solution, while it is possibly simpler to support also can't survive the main site being lost.

            Now maybe that doesn't matter, i.e. if the main site is down, the whole company would be down anyway.

            Just a thought.

            I thought that his two main servers were at a single site.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @Dashrender said:

              Doesn't using a Scale device change his risk solution?

              As I understood it, Dustin plans to have two nearly synced servers over two diverse locations. In addition to that he'll have offsite backup at Rackspace or someone else.

              This allows for the company to completely loose a location and stay up and running completely (though networking will have to be considered to make sure things flow correctly).

              With a Scale solution, while it is possibly simpler to support also can't survive the main site being lost.

              Now maybe that doesn't matter, i.e. if the main site is down, the whole company would be down anyway.

              Just a thought.

              I thought that his two main servers were at a single site.

              You're probably right, I must have misread it.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                You could easily be right, I just had not noticed that he said two sites. I miss stuff like that often, though. But I looked back and have not found it yet.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  You could easily be right, I just had not noticed that he said two sites. I miss stuff like that often, though. But I looked back and have not found it yet.

                  yeah I read the second site into it. It's not there.

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                  • A
                    Alex Sage
                    last edited by

                    This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
                      last edited by

                      @anonymous said:

                      This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?

                      Those are xByte quotes. Did you notice all of the SSDs in there?

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                      • A
                        Alex Sage
                        last edited by Alex Sage

                        @DustinB3403

                        Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
                        Server no drives
                        ($10,156+/Each)

                        Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

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                        • MattSpellerM
                          MattSpeller @Alex Sage
                          last edited by

                          @anonymous said:

                          This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?

                          As SAM mentioned there's almost $5k of SSD in there, plus it's pretty new gear. Brand new from Dell I shudder to think of what that would run you.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            The same thing could be said for what if the server dies, that I should diversify my server fleet.

                            To avoid issues such as firmware bugs etc.

                            Warranties are to protect the equipment and of course the warranty could be reduced for the second system.

                            But its the warranty to protect the equipment for the usable life.

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                            • MattSpellerM
                              MattSpeller @Alex Sage
                              last edited by

                              @anonymous said:

                              @DustinB3403

                              Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
                              Server no drives
                              ($10,156+/Each)

                              Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

                              I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

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                              • dafyreD
                                dafyre @MattSpeller
                                last edited by

                                @MattSpeller said:

                                @anonymous said:

                                @DustinB3403

                                Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
                                Server no drives
                                ($10,156+/Each)

                                Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

                                I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

                                This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?

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                                • MattSpellerM
                                  MattSpeller @dafyre
                                  last edited by

                                  @dafyre said:

                                  @MattSpeller said:

                                  @anonymous said:

                                  @DustinB3403

                                  Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
                                  Server no drives
                                  ($10,156+/Each)

                                  Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

                                  I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

                                  This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?

                                  Must be because that's waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a warranty.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
                                    last edited by DustinB3403

                                    Sorry there were some math errors in there as well.

                                    Price updated to reflect list price. (I was updating an old written estimate)

                                    Sorry!

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @dafyre
                                      last edited by

                                      @dafyre yes.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @MattSpeller
                                        last edited by

                                        @MattSpeller said:

                                        @dafyre said:

                                        @MattSpeller said:

                                        @anonymous said:

                                        @DustinB3403

                                        Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
                                        Server no drives
                                        ($10,156+/Each)

                                        Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

                                        I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

                                        This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?

                                        Must be because that's waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a warranty.

                                        unless the hardware is free? lol

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          Ouch a 20% increase.

                                          I have to agree with the ask.. .do you need 24 cores? Would 12 be enough?

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            The same thing could be said for what if the server dies, that I should diversify my server fleet.

                                            That's not how it is handled in the real world. Even the most demanding environments use matched hardware. You don't avoid buying two of the same car model to diversify hardware, right? Issues are either obvious or don't affect you simultaneously. Going to a different vendor randomizes in such a way that it puts you in more risk rather than less.

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