Rocket Chat vs. Jabber
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@BBigford said:
@Dashrender said:
@dafyre said:
My Last place used openFire exclusively for internal stuff. I may switch my family from Skype over to RocketChat.
why manage your own (unless you're not) and instead use telegram?
100% required by customer contracts. No internal communication can be hosted by a provider. Has to be something on-premise.
What IP Phone system do you have? Many do or can do XMPP.. even Asterisk can I believe.
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@coliver said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I forgot to add.. preferably something that we can use to pull from Active Directory without extreme difficulty. I can allocate some time to this project, but I'm looking for something that has a fairly small footprint and doesn't require tons of time to setup (basically, the opposite of SfB).
I think that pretty much everything talks to AD these days.
Except OpenFire, right? Have to add everyone manually... Or is there a module for that now?
OpenFire can talk to AD. It is actually a really easy setup.
I don't even have AD deployed yet, but I do have an openfire server connected to a SAMBA4 DC. It makes me want to AD connect all the things.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I forgot to add.. preferably something that we can use to pull from Active Directory without extreme difficulty. I can allocate some time to this project, but I'm looking for something that has a fairly small footprint and doesn't require tons of time to setup (basically, the opposite of SfB).
I think that pretty much everything talks to AD these days.
Except OpenFire, right? Have to add everyone manually... Or is there a module for that now?
OpenFire can talk to AD. It is actually a really easy setup.
I don't even have AD deployed yet, but I do have an openfire server connected to a SAMBA4 DC. It makes me want to AD connect all the things.
Do you have so few users that you don't use any kind of central directory (not necessarily AD, could be openLDAP or whatever)?
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@BBigford said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I forgot to add.. preferably something that we can use to pull from Active Directory without extreme difficulty. I can allocate some time to this project, but I'm looking for something that has a fairly small footprint and doesn't require tons of time to setup (basically, the opposite of SfB).
I think that pretty much everything talks to AD these days.
Except OpenFire, right? Have to add everyone manually... Or is there a module for that now?
OpenFire can talk to AD. It is actually a really easy setup.
I don't even have AD deployed yet, but I do have an openfire server connected to a SAMBA4 DC. It makes me want to AD connect all the things.
Do you have so few users that you don't use any kind of central directory (not necessarily AD, could be openLDAP or whatever)?
7 users, 10 computers. So not having AD/LDAP isn't a complete nightmare. I do want to make so files just follow people rather than being stuck on a workstation tho, it'll make backups a sight easier as well.
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@travisdh1 said:
@BBigford said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I forgot to add.. preferably something that we can use to pull from Active Directory without extreme difficulty. I can allocate some time to this project, but I'm looking for something that has a fairly small footprint and doesn't require tons of time to setup (basically, the opposite of SfB).
I think that pretty much everything talks to AD these days.
Except OpenFire, right? Have to add everyone manually... Or is there a module for that now?
OpenFire can talk to AD. It is actually a really easy setup.
I don't even have AD deployed yet, but I do have an openfire server connected to a SAMBA4 DC. It makes me want to AD connect all the things.
Do you have so few users that you don't use any kind of central directory (not necessarily AD, could be openLDAP or whatever)?
7 users, 10 computers. So not having AD/LDAP isn't a complete nightmare. I do want to make so files just follow people rather than being stuck on a workstation tho, it'll make backups a sight easier as well.
File Server?
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I forgot to add.. preferably something that we can use to pull from Active Directory without extreme difficulty. I can allocate some time to this project, but I'm looking for something that has a fairly small footprint and doesn't require tons of time to setup (basically, the opposite of SfB).
I think that pretty much everything talks to AD these days.
Except OpenFire, right? Have to add everyone manually... Or is there a module for that now?
OpenFire can talk to AD. It is actually a really easy setup.
I don't even have AD deployed yet, but I do have an openfire server connected to a SAMBA4 DC. It makes me want to AD connect all the things.
So you have AD only for OpenFIre?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@BBigford said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
I forgot to add.. preferably something that we can use to pull from Active Directory without extreme difficulty. I can allocate some time to this project, but I'm looking for something that has a fairly small footprint and doesn't require tons of time to setup (basically, the opposite of SfB).
I think that pretty much everything talks to AD these days.
Except OpenFire, right? Have to add everyone manually... Or is there a module for that now?
OpenFire can talk to AD. It is actually a really easy setup.
I don't even have AD deployed yet, but I do have an openfire server connected to a SAMBA4 DC. It makes me want to AD connect all the things.
So you have AD only for OpenFIre?
Currently yes, sad as it is. I just need to add users and computers at this point. I've had other things come up that management wants done first.
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7 users for AD? Noooo thank you.
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@BBigford said:
7 users for AD? Noooo thank you.
That would be my take. I'd just manage them individually. Even MS doesn't recommend rolling it out at that size.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
7 users for AD? Noooo thank you.
That would be my take. I'd just manage them individually. Even MS doesn't recommend rolling it out at that size.
I managed a SBS2011 server (took over) for a user base of about 12 people and as many PCs. Came with rolled up Exchange/AD/etc. Some said it was super convenient. I thought it was a damn nightmare. When that server went down, all operations halted. Before I came, there were no UPSs either, just plugged right into the wall, no battery backup. When the power went out, the databases were guillotined. The horror!
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And twelve is considered the inflection point where you would normally use AD (but not Exchange on premises) for user management.
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Yeah hose that - local AD for that?
What these companies need to get working on in Azure AD integration. Move those 10 users to O365 on Windows 10, join AAD and call it day.
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7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
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@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
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@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
And No CALs..
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
And No CALs..
And no spending time figuring out how many CALs you need, tracking to make sure you really have them, updating all of the licenses when you upgrade, storing all the documentation, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
Not fake at all, it's very real AD. It's just not on Windows. But it is completely AD. Remember AD is a copy of LDAP, not the other way around.
Group Policy has been available from Linux since the 1990s.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
Not fake at all, it's very real AD. It's just not on Windows. But it is completely AD. Remember AD is a copy of LDAP, not the other way around.
Group Policy has been available from Linux since the 1990s.
Thanks for the correction. I knew it wasn't right, but I had to have a way to get you to talk about it.
