Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
How about start with 5 full of fuel, then add some to live in, store crap in...
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How Long Does It Take a Train to Stop?
Trains can't stop quickly or swerve. The average freight train is about 1 to 1¼ miles in length (90 to 120 rail cars). When it's moving at 55 miles an hour, it can take a mile or more to stop after the locomotive engineer fully applies the emergency brake. An 8-car passenger train moving at 80 miles an hour needs about a mile to stop. How does this compare to other vehicles?
According to the National Safety Council:
- A lightweight passenger car traveling at 55 miles an hour can stop in about 200 feet in an emergency—under perfect conditions—that is, if tires and brakes are in good condition and the road is dry.
- A commercial van or bus will need about 230 feet to stop.
- A commercial truck/trailer can stop in about 300 feet—that's the length of a football field.
- A light rail train requires about 600 feet to stop—the length of two football fields.
Compared to this, the average freight train we mentioned above traveling at 55 miles an hour may take the length of about 18 football fields to stop.
Trains can't swerve—they can only follow the track. The only thing the engineer can do is apply the emergency brake.It's Closer and Faster Than You Think!
In the same way that airplanes can seem to move slowly, your eyes can play a trick on you when a train is approaching—an optical illusion that makes a train seem farther away and moving more slowly than it really is. Don't take chances—it's easy to misjudge a train's speed and its distance, especially at night. If you see a train, just wait. -
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
How about start with 5 full of fuel, then add some to live in, store crap in...
And you think there is time to line up 5 fuel cars to an engine and get away....
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Big. Simple. Sailboat.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
How about start with 5 full of fuel, then add some to live in, store crap in...
And you think there is time to line up 5 fuel cars to an engine and get away....
You do not want to carry all of your fuel with you. least you and your train burn in a fiery wreck.
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@tonyshowoff said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
What is the shelf life on diesel?
It's like gasoline, it would last for decades or centuries.
Modern gasoline with ethanol won't last 6 months.
Diesel shelf life 1 year
http://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp-country/en_au/media/fuel-news/long-term-storage-diesel.pdf
edit: longer with regular maintenance in large underground storage.
Weird, my car has no problems going longer than that.
I've also had varied results with long term fuel storage as well, it usually can last much longer, but I think perhaps it can be bad for the engine.
Probably best not to keep it, BP's recommendations have to be for sale purposes, not usability ones.
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
So diesel, or overhead electric cables. . .
Those are the two options. Overhead electric is mostly just NYC.
Whcih would go down with the grid.
Right, but we are assuming that downtown Manhattan is not where you will be headed.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
But they can take scores. 2-5 cars is nothing for a train.
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Big. Simple. Sailboat.
Not enough room for pot
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
How about start with 5 full of fuel, then add some to live in, store crap in...
Exactly. Have a few freight cars for long term storage. Some passenger cars for living. The ones with beds and bathrooms and kitchens.
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Big. Simple. Sailboat.
Not enough room for pot
It's only transportation to an island anyway.
Any solution that involves things you can not make yourselves = failure.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
But they can take scores. 2-5 cars is nothing for a train.
Yes it can, but you are going to be adding Armour and armaments -- added weight, reduced number of cars
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
How Long Does It Take a Train to Stop?
Trains can't stop quickly or swerve. The average freight train is about 1 to 1¼ miles in length (90 to 120 rail cars). When it's moving at 55 miles an hour, it can take a mile or more to stop after the locomotive engineer fully applies the emergency brake. An 8-car passenger train moving at 80 miles an hour needs about a mile to stop. How does this compare to other vehicles?
- A light rail train requires about 600 feet to stop—the length of two football fields.
But we are talking about far lighter than these, at just 8mph. If a light rail can stop from full speed in 600ft, imagine how quickly it stops when it is nearly stopped already.
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@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse I was thinking that as well, if it were just the engine I could see this....
But you'd want to have several cars to live in / store supplies on.
So at a minimum 2 cars, average 5 probably.
But they can take scores. 2-5 cars is nothing for a train.
Yes it can, but you are going to be adding Armour and armaments -- added weight, reduced number of cars
Still nothing for a train.
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Big. Simple. Sailboat.
Not enough room for pot
It's only transportation to an island anyway.
Any solution that involves things you can not make yourselves = failure.
Not really, it's only about holding out, not living for forever.
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@gjacobse said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Big. Simple. Sailboat.
Not enough room for pot
It's only transportation to an island anyway.
Any solution that involves things you can not make yourselves = failure.
Rightly so. Humans have traveled for a lot of years and miles with their feet. IT's the place of 'safety' that posses the biggest risk and problem. that and more humans.
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My issue with a train, or anything that isn't squarly anchored away from zombies is a big risk.
Trains are a much smaller risk compared to hoarding up in a building, but still...
Not moving, you're dying.(at least if your on a train)
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
My issue with a train, or anything that isn't squarly anchored away from zombies is a big risk.
Trains are a much smaller risk compared to hoarding up in a building, but still...
Not moving, you're dying.
Depends on how long you need to do it for.
Over a year or two forget land transportation. It's impractical and I think most people here are undervaluing how quickly things degrade when they're not maintained.
Trains for example - don't see any heavy duty diesel mechanics around here
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@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
My issue with a train, or anything that isn't squarly anchored away from zombies is a big risk.
Trains are a much smaller risk compared to hoarding up in a building, but still...
Not moving, you're dying.
Depends on how long you need to do it for.
Over a year or two forget land transportation. It's impractical and I think most people here are undervaluing how quickly things degrade when they're not maintained.
Trains for example - don't see any heavy duty diesel mechanics around here
That's my point, if an IT person can't maintain it (as is the conversation here) we'd have to find someone alive to do it.
Until we were able to get some where far enough away to get out to sea / island without any zombies.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@MattSpeller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
My issue with a train, or anything that isn't squarly anchored away from zombies is a big risk.
Trains are a much smaller risk compared to hoarding up in a building, but still...
Not moving, you're dying.
Depends on how long you need to do it for.
Over a year or two forget land transportation. It's impractical and I think most people here are undervaluing how quickly things degrade when they're not maintained.
Trains for example - don't see any heavy duty diesel mechanics around here
That's my point, if an IT person can't maintain it (as is the conversation here) we'd have to find someone alive to do it.
Until we were able to get some where far enough away to get out to sea / island without any zombies.
Providing zombies can't swim that's fairly easy here. Rest of you might be screwed
Open invitation to my island(s) are extended to all y'all
