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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @RojoLoco
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      @RojoLoco said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

      @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

      Hrm.. would be good to have a few conversations with him regarding Micrsoft SSD.

      Is he over here at ML? I'm tired of posting there.

      Do we really want such "experts" over here? Part of what I love about ML is the lack of those people.

      Fair point, but at least it would provide some insight into the Microsoft SSD design / setup / functionality without any of us putting our systems or labs at risk.

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      • RojoLocoR
        RojoLoco @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

        @RojoLoco said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

        @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

        Hrm.. would be good to have a few conversations with him regarding Micrsoft SSD.

        Is he over here at ML? I'm tired of posting there.

        Do we really want such "experts" over here? Part of what I love about ML is the lack of those people.

        Fair point, but at least it would provide some insight into the Microsoft SSD design / setup / functionality without any of us putting our systems or labs at risk.

        That's true, assuming he knows what he's talking about.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
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          OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

          Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

            OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

            Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

            Also he's in an IPOD.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

              OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

              Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

              I've even seen big Wall St. firms make that mistake 😞

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              • thwrT
                thwr @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

                Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

                Why should the VM be lost? It will be copied and when every bit is over at the new place, it gets deleted on the original location. Maybe it's just not registered anymore on both hosts?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @thwr
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                  @thwr said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                  OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

                  Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

                  Why should the VM be lost? It will be copied and when every bit is over at the new place, it gets deleted on the original location. Maybe it's just not registered anymore on both hosts?

                  That is very odd as there should be shared storage via the iPOD, so nothing was ever "moved".

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                  • coliverC
                    coliver @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                    @thwr said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                    OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

                    Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

                    Why should the VM be lost? It will be copied and when every bit is over at the new place, it gets deleted on the original location. Maybe it's just not registered anymore on both hosts?

                    That is very odd as there should be shared storage via the iPOD, so nothing was ever "moved".

                    Even the metadata would have stayed put in this case.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @coliver
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                      @coliver said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                      @thwr said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                      @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                      OP was working in a Hyper-V cluster and needed to migrate his VM's over to the other node. The transfer failed for one VM, and the VM is lost.

                      Didn't take a backup prior to beginning work.

                      Why should the VM be lost? It will be copied and when every bit is over at the new place, it gets deleted on the original location. Maybe it's just not registered anymore on both hosts?

                      That is very odd as there should be shared storage via the iPOD, so nothing was ever "moved".

                      Even the metadata would have stayed put in this case.

                      Yeah, should have.

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                      • dafyreD
                        dafyre
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                        It seems I heard about a bug in Hyper-V under certain circumstances this would happen... I can't remember where I heard it from though.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @dafyre
                          last edited by

                          @dafyre said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                          It seems I heard about a bug in Hyper-V under certain circumstances this would happen... I can't remember where I heard it from though.

                          Ouch, that is one scary bug. People get WAY too callous about vmotioning servers. They treat it like a guaranteed safe operation. But in reality it's like a RAID 5 resilver... the chances of failure are still pretty high.

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                          • dafyreD
                            dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller Yeah. I've done a number of live migrations, and have seen random failures, but never actually completely lost a VM like that.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @dafyre
                              last edited by

                              @dafyre said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                              @scottalanmiller Yeah. I've done a number of live migrations, and have seen random failures, but never actually completely lost a VM like that.

                              True, this is even more dramatic than I have seen before.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by DustinB3403

                                I'm sure this has been discussed before, but don't store user passwords, don't request them, don't mandate users tell them, and don't set them to something and never allow them to be changed.

                                If as a domain administrator you need to get into a user profile to "have access" use your administrative credentials.

                                Passwords.

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                                • RojoLocoR
                                  RojoLoco @DustinB3403
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                                  @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                  I'm sure this has been discussed before, but don't store user passwords, don't request them, don't mandate users tell them, and don't set them to something and never allow them to be changed.

                                  If as a domain administrator you need to get into a user profile to "have access" use your administrative credentials.

                                  Passwords.

                                  That thread makes me think that after all is said and done, bad management + spineless IT guy = they will keep on having that master list of passwords.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @RojoLoco
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                                    @RojoLoco Yeah I figure as much, which this will just open a "he said she said" issue if something with legal ramifications occurs.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      Um... why is this a question again? Decision: To stay physical or move to vitual

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender
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                                        I had a client that maintained a password list for every employee once. I showed the boss how this was completely unnecessary, she didn't change.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          That question reminds me of a post yesterday or so about a PCI auditor claiming to need that same info... WTF?

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                                          • RojoLocoR
                                            RojoLoco @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                            Um... why is this a question again? Decision: To stay physical or move to vitual

                                            Posts like that make me think SW makes their staff create puppet accounts to post such nonsense so they will have something to feature, because apparently they have been scrambling for feature worthy posts lately.

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