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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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      @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

      @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

      @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

      @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

      @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

      As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

      With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

      @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

      So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

      Just a different solution.

      No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

      Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

      And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

      But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

      Are you?

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      • FATeknollogeeF
        FATeknollogee @JaredBusch
        last edited by

        @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

        And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

        If Veeam would/could just support XS, we'd all be in heaven!!

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch @DustinB3403
          last edited by

          @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

          @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

          @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

          @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

          @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

          @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

          As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

          With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

          @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

          So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

          Just a different solution.

          No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

          Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

          And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

          But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

          Are you?

          No, but was that not just added in the last year or so?

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
            last edited by

            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

            As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

            With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

            @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

            So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

            Just a different solution.

            No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

            Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

            And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

            But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

            Are you?

            No, but was that not just added in the last year or so?

            I'm not certain when Unitrends for XS was released, I just recall seeing it.

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            • FATeknollogeeF
              FATeknollogee @JaredBusch
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              @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

              And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

              Not to threadjack, but http://www.quadricsoftware.com/products/alike-dr/ supports Hyper-V and XS

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @crustachio
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                @crustachio said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                Biggest downside I see is there is no dedupe or compression facility whatsoever and therefore you have to rely on the storage target's filesytem level capabilities for that. But still, beggar's can't be choosers.

                Looks like FreeBSD and ZFS are supported.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  AGPL license, that's very good.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                    As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

                    With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

                    @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

                    So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

                    Just a different solution.

                    No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

                    Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

                    And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

                    But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

                    Are you?

                    No, but was that not just added in the last year or so?

                    I'm not certain when Unitrends for XS was released, I just recall seeing it.

                    Unitrends bought PHD Virtual. So the support for XS goes back a really long time, just not under the Unitrends brand. Unitrends XS is not at all a new product.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
                      last edited by

                      @FATeknollogee said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                      @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                      And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

                      If Veeam would/could just support XS, we'd all be in heaven!!

                      Veeam supports it, but not through the old product that people call Veeam. Veeam's two new agent based product lines don't talk to the hypervisor and obviously support both XS and KVM (and everything else) in that case.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                        @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                        @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                        @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                        @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                        @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                        As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

                        With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

                        @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

                        So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

                        Just a different solution.

                        No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

                        Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

                        And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

                        But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

                        Are you?

                        He might not be, but it does 🙂

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                          last edited by

                          @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                          @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                          @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                          As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

                          With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

                          @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

                          So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

                          Just a different solution.

                          No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

                          Unitrends does it via agent (so the same as UrBackup or StorageCraft or whatever) or needs to mount an image which any image based backup could do. Veeam is unique in not needing to do an image mount to do a file restore.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                            As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

                            With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

                            @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

                            So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

                            Just a different solution.

                            No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

                            Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

                            And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

                            But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

                            Are you?

                            He might not be, but it does 🙂

                            My entire point is why look at a multiple products to handle backups.
                            Veeam does not offer XS support yet (agents do not count, that is effectively baremetal).
                            Unitrends does support XS, and has the ability to mount a backup and restore files directly.

                            Unless another backup solution can do both the VM level and support individual file restores I would never consider it a viable solution.

                            All that using multiple products to perform the same function does is add complication.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                              last edited by

                              @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                              As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

                              With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

                              That's what I wish someone would get in the open source space. It's a lot of work to get that working. Everyone has just been sticking to agents. In the defense of open source, in the closed source world no one but Veeam has gotten this working either. It's really just a unique and awesome Veeam feature. And even Veeam is offering agents additionally for more functionality.

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                              • FATeknollogeeF
                                FATeknollogee
                                last edited by

                                Agree with @JaredBusch
                                It's Host based backups or the product doesn't exist. Agents are so yesterday!!

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  @JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                  As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.

                                  With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.

                                  @JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).

                                  So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.

                                  Just a different solution.

                                  No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.

                                  Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.

                                  And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.

                                  But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.

                                  Are you?

                                  He might not be, but it does 🙂

                                  My entire point is why look at a multiple products to handle backups.
                                  Veeam does not offer XS support yet (agents do not count, that is effectively baremetal).
                                  Unitrends does support XS, and has the ability to mount a backup and restore files directly.

                                  Unless another backup solution can do both the VM level and support individual file restores I would never consider it a viable solution.

                                  All that using multiple products to perform the same function does is add complication.

                                  I assumed, I was just pointing out that Unitrends for Hyper-V and Unitrends for XS were very different under the hood. Actually two different products.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
                                    last edited by

                                    @FATeknollogee said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                    Agree with @JaredBusch
                                    It's Host based backups or the product doesn't exist. Agents are so yesterday!!

                                    Even Veeam is adding agents for more flexibility. You know in the DevOps world.... it's the opposite. Image backups are the yesterday and agent are the modern. There are two different legacy/modern cycles going on. If you are in the "legacy" snowflake systems world, image backups are awesome. Once you go DevOps modern world, image backups are silly and you go to agents (Or nothing at all in many cases.)

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                                    • FATeknollogeeF
                                      FATeknollogee
                                      last edited by

                                      Then I be sticking to my snowflakes 😃
                                      Is Veeam adding agents to it's Hyper-V (windows guests) backup?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
                                        last edited by

                                        @FATeknollogee said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                        Agree with @JaredBusch
                                        It's Host based backups or the product doesn't exist. Agents are so yesterday!!

                                        One important thing is that agentless backups are essentially always expensive. It requires Veeam and if you want full functionality a full license. It's very reasonable for what you get, it's great stuff. And Hyper-V is free for that (because Veeam wrote change block tracking for it.) But VMware gets really expensive, too.

                                        It's worth pointing out, Hyper-V and XS are equal here. It's Veeam that made CBT for one and not the other. It's purely Veeam's decision not to support XS (which I understand, I'm just saying) and not a difference between XenServer and Hyper-V that causes one to work this way and the other not. VMware ESXi remains the only hypervisor with change block tracking in it, and not in its free version.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          CBT is available for UrBackUp as well, in the commercial version.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:

                                            CBT is available for UrBackUp as well, in the commercial version.

                                            CBT? Like an online training module?

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