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@BRRABill said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@fuznutz04 said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
- A2 hosting (I picked them, because a quick google search yielded a comparison site, listing A2 as a pretty good option.)
I take it that you missed their thread this week where they were shown to be ridiculously slow?
I moved to A2 a few months ago,.
We were with GoDaddy (no comments needed), and switched to ASO at the recommendation of ML. But the speed at ASO was very lacking, and at the time A2 was awesome.
I, myself, have noticed that my WP sites are now back.............to...................being.............slow at A2, so not sure what is going on over there, but I have a lot of development to do on a new site, and I'm going to be moving away from A2 pretty quickly if it doesn't get fixed.
Maybe they overprovisioned.
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@FATeknollogee said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
Since Vultr has 1-click installs for NextCloud & WP, do we really need Cloudways?
Depends, do you want support for your applications or just the base set up for you? Does Vultr do things like Varnish cache for you? I have no idea. Do you want something like Softaculous, because Vultr doesn't have anything like that and you are on your own for setting that stuff up.
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@BRRABill said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
Looks like A2 is going to be another hosting company to be thrown on the scrap pile...
Unfortunately, that is so true!
Remember, this is the new "ML" normal:
Registrar: Hover / GoDaddy / Google Domains
DNS: CloudFlare
Mail: Office 365 / GSuite / Self Hosted / ZoHo
Web hosting: Vultr / Cloudways / Azure / VPS /Random cheap Shared host for basic web hosting -
Here is a screenshot of the abusiveness we have hit A2 for. I have to admit, this is pretty much abusing their "unlimited" plan. (Sarcasm.)
Note, we were banned for usage in the past 24 hours.
The only answer I got was that is was over the limit, and we'd have to hire a developer to figure out why.
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@FATeknollogee said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@BRRABill said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
Looks like A2 is going to be another hosting company to be thrown on the scrap pile...
Unfortunately, that is so true!
Remember, this is the new "ML" normal:
Registrar: Hover / GoDaddy / Google Domains
DNS: CloudFlare
Mail: Office 365 / GSuite / Self Hosted / ZoHo
Web hosting: Vultr / Cloudways / Azure / VPS /Random cheap Shared host for basic web hostingWhere "new" is what we considered best practice, even in the 90s, where I come from. This isn't anything new, the idea of "avoiding bundled servers" or "unnecessary vendor dependency risk" is a normal business best practice. This is just a standard protection against vendors manifesting in a common IT pattern.
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So back to the OP... Assuming I will go with Vultr, let's take a poll:
Vultr 1 click WP install
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Setting it up yourself on CentOS7. -
@fuznutz04 Why not Vultr one click cPanel install?
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@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@Ambarishrh said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@aaronstuder said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
Sure, but show me an expensive once that is good. Cloudways looks great, but lacks a Softaculous-like component that a lot of people are looking for.
What is missing? https://www.cloudways.com/en/wordpress-cloud-hosting.php
Softaculous, like I said
Softaculous has nearly 500 web apps that it installs and manages for you. Cloudways has like five.But if you are using cloudways hosting only for Wordpress, you don't need softaculous. CW already have one click app setup for WP.
But then which bits am I using CloudWays for?
WP-CLI does simple installs.
Cloudways gives you along with one click WP install, there are options like scale the server resources—CPU, RAM, and storage—whenever needed, varnish cache, lets encrypt with auto renewal and on top of that you can still choose vultr for the infrastructure
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@Ambarishrh said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
Cloudways gives you along with one click WP install, there are options like scale the server resources—CPU, RAM, and storage—whenever needed, varnish cache, lets encrypt with auto renewal and on top of that you can still choose vultr for the infrastructure
Right... so where is the benefit? You just described not having CloudWays, too. See the problem? Sounds great until you realize that none of those things are benefits. I have all of that, ALL of it, without Cloudways and it seems simpler without. What component is special with Cloudways other than them having the Ansible setup on their end instead of on mine?
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@aaronstuder said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@fuznutz04 Why not Vultr one click cPanel install?
That's what I meant by 1 click install. The built in Vultr 1-click installer. The only reason I bring it up is because there seems to be varying opinions on provider supplied 1-click installers VS doing it yourself.
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@FATeknollogee said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
Since Vultr has 1-click installs for NextCloud & WP, do we really need Cloudways?
That was the same question I asked, what are the "benefits" of adding Cloudways to the mix?
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@aaronstuder said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@fuznutz04 Why not Vultr one click cPanel install?
$15/mo plus the Vultr install, so basically $20/mo minimum. You get the cPanel benefits from CloudWays starting at just $11/mo. That's almost half the price. And CloudWays is CentOS 7 I think, not CentOS 6. CentOS 6 is too old for me to be willing to use for anything these days. I'm moving most of our stuff off of CentOS 7 where it makes sense as it is.
Too costly, too old. I think those are the main issues.
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@fuznutz04 said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@aaronstuder said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@fuznutz04 Why not Vultr one click cPanel install?
That's what I meant by 1 click install. The built in Vultr 1-click installer. The only reason I bring it up is because there seems to be varying opinions on provider supplied 1-click installers VS doing it yourself.
I prefer doing it yourself because you have to support it after the fact.
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CloudWays supports your whole stack. Vultr does not. Vultr just gets you up and running quickly, and rarely on an OS I'd approve for production if we were building ourselves. I don't want to run old components just to run old components.
Paying the CloudWays premium to me makes sense if you want support. If going with your own support, setting up the instance takes no effort (if you can support it) so what's the benefit of the one click installer?
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@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
I prefer doing it yourself because you have to support it after the fact.
This is exactly the road I was leaning towards, since you don't really know 100% what is taking place with the 1 click apps.
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@fuznutz04 said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
I prefer doing it yourself because you have to support it after the fact.
This is exactly the road I was leaning towards, since you don't really know 100% what is taking place with the 1 click apps.
Or worse, you do know and don't like it
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@fuznutz04 said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
I prefer doing it yourself because you have to support it after the fact.
This is exactly the road I was leaning towards, since you don't really know 100% what is taking place with the 1 click apps.
I'm working on making this as easy and automatic as possible with Salt:
https://www.mangolassi.it/topic/13112/using-saltstack-to-install-high-performance-lamp-on-fedora-25
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@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
https://www.mangolassi.it/topic/13112/using-saltstack-to-install-high-performance-lamp-on-fedora-25
I need to get my hands on Salt in my lab and test it out.
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@fuznutz04 said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
@scottalanmiller said in Wordpress website for non-technical user/manager:
https://www.mangolassi.it/topic/13112/using-saltstack-to-install-high-performance-lamp-on-fedora-25
I need to get my hands on Salt in my lab and test it out.
You can do it all on one machine, although there is a certain silliness to that. It is SUPER easy to set up, though.
