What are the highest paying IT careers?
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@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
SMB is all the same two jobs.... generalist or generalist manager. All comes down to seniority, experience, market, etc.
This is where I am, currently. What do you think national average is?
No idea about national average, nor would it likely be meaningful in any way. Pay is so dependent on the job, job role, company, level, and location that an average would be kind of meaningless. Imagine asking "what's the average pay of a business person" or "how much can you expect to earn as a business owner?" An average in anything like those would be totally meaningless.
Hmm... Oh well. I hit 6 figures this year.
That doesn't seem like an easy thing to do in the the typical SMB as a regular generalist employee.
Actually SMB is one of the highest paying categories. But it is misleading. It's larger and very focused SMBs that might be small in people, but big in profits. They tend to behave like enterprises, even with relatively few people. Nearly all $300K+ jobs I know of are in the SMB range. Whereas the enterprise tends to dominate the $200K+ range.
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Most of the $300K+ jobs that I see are in companies that are 100+ people, but never getting to even 1,500 people.
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Ours is just over 100 people. I do live in Southern California, so it is commensurate-ish with high cost of living here.
Edit: therein lies the rub. I would love to live somewhere (out of state) less expensive but still work for this company and make at least what I make now... at least in the short term.
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Texas is really the best market, I think. Very low cost of living, no state income tax, nearly everything is cheaper than other tax free or low tax states, high legal mobility, and more local job opportunities than in most US markets, especially low cost ones. If you can get remote work and do it from Texas or Florida, you are golden.
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@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
Texas is really the best market, I think. Very low cost of living, no state income tax, nearly everything is cheaper than other tax free or low tax states, high legal mobility, and more local job opportunities than in most US markets, especially low cost ones. If you can get remote work and do it from Texas or Florida, you are golden.
I love Texas, the idea. Texas, geographically, bums me out. I like rain and cooler weather. How is Tennessee, economically-speaking?
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@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
Texas is really the best market, I think. Very low cost of living, no state income tax, nearly everything is cheaper than other tax free or low tax states, high legal mobility, and more local job opportunities than in most US markets, especially low cost ones. If you can get remote work and do it from Texas or Florida, you are golden.
I love Texas, the idea. Texas, geographically, bums me out. I like rain and cooler weather. How is Tennessee, economically-speaking?
Have you spent time in Dallas? I'm a rain and cooler weather person myself and we get loads of rain in Dallas. And it is not all that hot. Not all that cool, but not all that hot. Don't equate all of Texas with the hell that is Houston.
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Tennessee is not bad economically, but not on par with Texas. Overall a decent option.
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@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
Texas is really the best market, I think. Very low cost of living, no state income tax, nearly everything is cheaper than other tax free or low tax states, high legal mobility, and more local job opportunities than in most US markets, especially low cost ones. If you can get remote work and do it from Texas or Florida, you are golden.
I love Texas, the idea. Texas, geographically, bums me out. I like rain and cooler weather. How is Tennessee, economically-speaking?
Have you spent time in Dallas? I'm a rain and cooler weather person myself and we get loads of rain in Dallas. And it is not all that hot. Not all that cool, but not all that hot. Don't equate all of Texas with the hell that is Houston.
I went there once, when I was in jr. high in January and it was snowing.
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@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
Texas is really the best market, I think. Very low cost of living, no state income tax, nearly everything is cheaper than other tax free or low tax states, high legal mobility, and more local job opportunities than in most US markets, especially low cost ones. If you can get remote work and do it from Texas or Florida, you are golden.
I love Texas, the idea. Texas, geographically, bums me out. I like rain and cooler weather. How is Tennessee, economically-speaking?
Have you spent time in Dallas? I'm a rain and cooler weather person myself and we get loads of rain in Dallas. And it is not all that hot. Not all that cool, but not all that hot. Don't equate all of Texas with the hell that is Houston.
I went there once, when I was in jr. high in January and it was snowing.
Yes, we get a little snow nearly every year in Dallas. Just a little.
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@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
SMB is all the same two jobs.... generalist or generalist manager. All comes down to seniority, experience, market, etc.
This is where I am, currently. What do you think national average is?
No idea about national average, nor would it likely be meaningful in any way. Pay is so dependent on the job, job role, company, level, and location that an average would be kind of meaningless. Imagine asking "what's the average pay of a business person" or "how much can you expect to earn as a business owner?" An average in anything like those would be totally meaningless.
Hmm... Oh well. I hit 6 figures this year.
That doesn't seem like an easy thing to do in the the typical SMB as a regular generalist employee.
Actually SMB is one of the highest paying categories. But it is misleading. It's larger and very focused SMBs that might be small in people, but big in profits. They tend to behave like enterprises, even with relatively few people. Nearly all $300K+ jobs I know of are in the SMB range. Whereas the enterprise tends to dominate the $200K+ range.
These must be the F100 SMBs then, because I've never seen anything anywhere close to that in real life... not personally and not advertised.
If one were to search those types of jobs on indeed for example, you will not fine that role and that pay, nowhere close. Maybe you do, because you know someone who knows someone.... but I'd never find an offer like that, even if I'm worth a billion dollar salary.
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@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
Ours is just over 100 people. I do live in Southern California, so it is commensurate-ish with high cost of living here.
Edit: therein lies the rub. I would love to live somewhere (out of state) less expensive but still work for this company and make at least what I make now... at least in the short term.
Yeah even at 100k you are still close to poverty level. You need at least 150k to get have a place in a school district worth sending your kids to. It's sad. And if you live somewhere you can afford under that, you give that up and end up sitting in 2 hours of traffic for your work commute.
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@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
SMB is all the same two jobs.... generalist or generalist manager. All comes down to seniority, experience, market, etc.
This is where I am, currently. What do you think national average is?
No idea about national average, nor would it likely be meaningful in any way. Pay is so dependent on the job, job role, company, level, and location that an average would be kind of meaningless. Imagine asking "what's the average pay of a business person" or "how much can you expect to earn as a business owner?" An average in anything like those would be totally meaningless.
Hmm... Oh well. I hit 6 figures this year.
That doesn't seem like an easy thing to do in the the typical SMB as a regular generalist employee.
Actually SMB is one of the highest paying categories. But it is misleading. It's larger and very focused SMBs that might be small in people, but big in profits. They tend to behave like enterprises, even with relatively few people. Nearly all $300K+ jobs I know of are in the SMB range. Whereas the enterprise tends to dominate the $200K+ range.
These must be the F100 SMBs then, because I've never seen anything anywhere close to that in real life... not personally and not advertised.
If one were to search those types of jobs on indeed for example, you will not fine that role and that pay, nowhere close. Maybe you do, because you know someone who knows someone.... but I'd never find an offer like that, even if I'm worth a billion dollar salary.
That's because high end roles aren't advertised
You work through headhunters. People who place people at that level, have them vetted, and such. -
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
Ours is just over 100 people. I do live in Southern California, so it is commensurate-ish with high cost of living here.
Edit: therein lies the rub. I would love to live somewhere (out of state) less expensive but still work for this company and make at least what I make now... at least in the short term.
Yeah even at 100k you are still close to poverty level. You need at least 150k to get have a place in a school district worth sending your kids to. It's sad. And if you live somewhere you can afford under that, you give that up and end up sitting in 2 hours of traffic for your work commute.
I have this problem. I am sitting right around $100k /year and barely breaking even because of where we live. Our location is restricted because of the schools we want our kids in.
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@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
SMB is all the same two jobs.... generalist or generalist manager. All comes down to seniority, experience, market, etc.
This is where I am, currently. What do you think national average is?
No idea about national average, nor would it likely be meaningful in any way. Pay is so dependent on the job, job role, company, level, and location that an average would be kind of meaningless. Imagine asking "what's the average pay of a business person" or "how much can you expect to earn as a business owner?" An average in anything like those would be totally meaningless.
Hmm... Oh well. I hit 6 figures this year.
That doesn't seem like an easy thing to do in the the typical SMB as a regular generalist employee.
Actually SMB is one of the highest paying categories. But it is misleading. It's larger and very focused SMBs that might be small in people, but big in profits. They tend to behave like enterprises, even with relatively few people. Nearly all $300K+ jobs I know of are in the SMB range. Whereas the enterprise tends to dominate the $200K+ range.
These must be the F100 SMBs then, because I've never seen anything anywhere close to that in real life... not personally and not advertised.
If one were to search those types of jobs on indeed for example, you will not fine that role and that pay, nowhere close. Maybe you do, because you know someone who knows someone.... but I'd never find an offer like that, even if I'm worth a billion dollar salary.
That's because high end roles aren't advertised
You work through headhunters. People who place people at that level, have them vetted, and such.I hate headhunters. The sleazy sales people of careers.
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@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@tim_g said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
SMB is all the same two jobs.... generalist or generalist manager. All comes down to seniority, experience, market, etc.
This is where I am, currently. What do you think national average is?
No idea about national average, nor would it likely be meaningful in any way. Pay is so dependent on the job, job role, company, level, and location that an average would be kind of meaningless. Imagine asking "what's the average pay of a business person" or "how much can you expect to earn as a business owner?" An average in anything like those would be totally meaningless.
Hmm... Oh well. I hit 6 figures this year.
That doesn't seem like an easy thing to do in the the typical SMB as a regular generalist employee.
Actually SMB is one of the highest paying categories. But it is misleading. It's larger and very focused SMBs that might be small in people, but big in profits. They tend to behave like enterprises, even with relatively few people. Nearly all $300K+ jobs I know of are in the SMB range. Whereas the enterprise tends to dominate the $200K+ range.
These must be the F100 SMBs then, because I've never seen anything anywhere close to that in real life... not personally and not advertised.
If one were to search those types of jobs on indeed for example, you will not fine that role and that pay, nowhere close. Maybe you do, because you know someone who knows someone.... but I'd never find an offer like that, even if I'm worth a billion dollar salary.
That's because high end roles aren't advertised
You work through headhunters. People who place people at that level, have them vetted, and such.I hate headhunters. The sleazy sales people of careers.
You are thinking of recruiters.
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@scottalanmiller I guess I was conflating the two. I didn't even think there was a difference.
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I have this problem. I am sitting right around $100k /year and barely breaking even because of where we live. Our location is restricted because of the schools we want our kids in.
Someday I’ll be able to say that.
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@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller I guess I was conflating the two. I didn't even think there was a difference.
It is a little bit of a grey area, in between the two, but they are very different animals. Headhunters only exist for senior positions. I don't think that mine even list jobs under $180K, for example. And most are over $200K. They work on long term relationships on both sides. Mine worked with me for seven years before going out and finding me a slot, for example. ANd they stay in contact, for forever.
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@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller I guess I was conflating the two. I didn't even think there was a difference.
It is a little bit of a grey area, in between the two, but they are very different animals. Headhunters only exist for senior positions. I don't think that mine even list jobs under $180K, for example. And most are over $200K. They work on long term relationships on both sides. Mine worked with me for seven years before going out and finding me a slot, for example. ANd they stay in contact, for forever.
Did you seek out and hire your headhunter, or is this a person who contacted you randomly (I'm thinking about the E-mails I get from time to time from people saying they have X position in which I might be interested) with whom you created a professional relationship over the course of seven years?
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@eddiejennings said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@wrx7m said in What are the highest paying IT careers?:
@scottalanmiller I guess I was conflating the two. I didn't even think there was a difference.
It is a little bit of a grey area, in between the two, but they are very different animals. Headhunters only exist for senior positions. I don't think that mine even list jobs under $180K, for example. And most are over $200K. They work on long term relationships on both sides. Mine worked with me for seven years before going out and finding me a slot, for example. ANd they stay in contact, for forever.
Did you seek out and hire your headhunter, or is this a person who contacted you randomly (I'm thinking about the E-mails I get from time to time from people saying they have X position in which I might be interested) with whom you created a professional relationship over the course of seven years?
I don't honestly remmeber but likely I was referred to them.
