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    • mlnewsM
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      Apple previously decried Australian efforts: "Encryption is simply math."

      The new law, which has been pushed for since at least 2017, requires that companies provide a way to get at encrypted communications and data via a warrant process. It also imposes fines of up to A$10 million for companies that do not comply and A$50,000 for individuals who do not comply. In short, the law thwarts (or at least tries to thwart) strong encryption.

      Companies who receive one of these warrants have the option of either complying with the government or waiting for a court order. However, by default, the orders are secret, so companies would not be able to tell the public that they had received one.

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      • DustinB3403D
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        @mlnews said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

        Apple previously decried Australian efforts: "Encryption is simply math."

        The new law, which has been pushed for since at least 2017, requires that companies provide a way to get at encrypted communications and data via a warrant process. It also imposes fines of up to A$10 million for companies that do not comply and A$50,000 for individuals who do not comply. In short, the law thwarts (or at least tries to thwart) strong encryption.

        Companies who receive one of these warrants have the option of either complying with the government or waiting for a court order. However, by default, the orders are secret, so companies would not be able to tell the public that they had received one.

        So who the heck are they going to attempt to fine if open source encryption is used?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 the end users, I would assume.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

            @DustinB3403 the end users, I would assume.

            The end user has no means of implanting a backdoor for the government

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            • DashrenderD
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              Does this mean Apple is leaving Australia?

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                Does this mean Apple is leaving Australia?

                That or they'll create a custom OS for that backwater.

                I wonder when the US will follow suit. .

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                • nadnerBN
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                  Seems a bit short sighted to me but I haven't been keeping tabs on this to know all the ins and outs.

                  However, going by how much this has been pushed, someone needs some legal cover to do something ASAP.
                  It looks like it was started with good intentions "Catch the bad guys" but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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                  • nadnerBN
                    nadnerB @DustinB3403
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                    @DustinB3403 said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                    That or they'll create a custom OS for that backwater.

                    Hey! We resemble that remark!

                    I wonder when the US will follow suit. .

                    Probably soon after the next civil war.

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                    • nadnerBN
                      nadnerB @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                      So who the heck are they going to attempt to fine if open source encryption is used?

                      A$50,000 for individuals who do not comply
                      Ca't get it out of the company, go for the low hanging fruit. The end user.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @nadnerB
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                        @nadnerB said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                        So who the heck are they going to attempt to fine if open source encryption is used?

                        A$50,000 for individuals who do not comply
                        Ca't get it out of the company, go for the low hanging fruit. The end user.

                        The ones who don't even know that they are doing it, of course.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @nadnerB
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                          @nadnerB said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                          It looks like it was started with good intentions "Catch the bad guys" but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

                          We are decades past anyone have plausible deniability in this being with good intentions.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @nadnerB
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                            @nadnerB said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                            Seems a bit short sighted to me but I haven't been keeping tabs on this to know all the ins and outs.

                            To us over here, Australia keeps sounding more and more like what we are told is wrong with places like Russia or China.

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                              An actual wtf to this....fed up with all these incompetent controlling governments...we have the same issue in the UK, with them all fighting over Brexit, and trying to look at ways in stopping a democratic vote.. absolute shambles with political leaders at the minute.

                              I defiantly can see a future where governments will want further control of the internet, they are already starting in small processes.

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                              • nadnerBN
                                nadnerB @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                                @nadnerB said in Australia passes new law to thwart strong encryption:

                                Seems a bit short sighted to me but I haven't been keeping tabs on this to know all the ins and outs.

                                To us over here, Australia keeps sounding more and more like what we are told is wrong with places like Russia or China.

                                Well, the media does like to negatize everything.
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                                The regular stuff that gets pushed on us is usually about Trump rage (his or about him), mass murders, and rioting hippies.

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                                • nadnerBN
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                                  Also, with all the Prime Minister switching & dual citizenship dramas going on, panic policies seem to be the order of the day.
                                  No one really knows if the same faces will be fronting parliament next week, so things need to be hastened.

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                                    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/qld-it-minister-cautions-feds-over-interference-516628
                                    Queensland’s IT minister Mick de Brenni has urged the federal government not to use its newly created Australian Digital Council as a way to dilute state regulation.
                                     
                                    He has also accused the Canberra of not consulting with state and territory governments prior to releasing its inaugural digital transformation strategy last month

                                    So it seems that only Canberra is keen on it.

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