Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@coliver said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
Next year there are quite a few states that will if you're traveling by air.
For instance the US government will require NY residents to have an enhanced license or carry their passports around to travel by air to anywhere in the US. I believe that Pennsylvania, California, and a few others will be in the same boat. You can get the older, cheaper, non-RealID compliant license but you won't be able to fly interstate with it.
Looks like being in Nebraska - that's covered by our newer standard driver's license. I'm sure there are some states that will allow a non real ID compliant card to be the base, then citizens will have to purchase an upgraded card - but damn.. that should just be the required standard since this is going to be a federal requirement.
Though, this is not really the same as a passport.
To get my new ID, I had to produce two billing statements with different companies with my name/address on them - and my old ID. This is nothing like a Passport check.
Right, the point is that if you don't have the enhanced/RealID drivers license you will be required to have a passport to fly.
Starting next year?
I wonder how they are going to enforce that? Will the TSA agent be the one enforcing it when they are checking your boarding pass? I'm sure you don't know, I'm just wondering out loud.
Yes, the TSA will be unable to accept non-RealID compliant identification.
They have automated scanners as it is. They already run it through a computer. Making the TSA enforce the new requirement won't even require training, it's literally the developer flipping a bit to turn it on.
I haven't seen that be the case much. Most places I've flown to (SF, Omaha, Austing) didn't scan my DL, they just put it under the light to see the watermark. There was one airport I went through where they slid my card through a CC like reader, but only one.
I'm sure that's changing though.
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I'm not saying that domestic travel isn't valid, just that to most of the world when you say "I like to travel" they assume you mean international. Not "I drive nearby on the weekend."
In Panama, for example, traveling to a different region to go to the beach is not considered travel, it's just what you do on weekends. In America, going to Florida for the weekend is considered a travel activity. Same thing, different viewpoints of the same activity.
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@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
It's still travel. . . moving from NY to Texas is travel. Because you are completely relocating to a new location in the world.
Walking down the street is also travel.
Granted, but no one means that in this context.
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But no one would say "I'm traveling down the street" or "I'm traveling to Texas".
They'd say "I'm taking a walk" or "I'm moving to Texas"
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Passport free travel in the EU is basically the same as passport free travel between US states.
The US has two hundred more years as a cohesive unit than the EU is all.
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
We were talking about international travel, not going to the store or whatever. People mean international mostly when they say travel (maybe not americans, again, proving the point that you feel Chicago is travel.)
Also there ARE places in the US where passports are required or effectively required, like southern Texas and Puerto Rico.
huh - I suppose most world citizens likely consider travel to really mean international travel - but I highly doubt that most Americans consider travel to mainly mean international.
I suppose I could ask my stupid FB feed.
Right, that's my POINT. Americans are SO anti-travel that they define it differently than the rest of the world! That's how extreme it is.
Again, your world view is getting in the way. Most other countries are so small that travel inside of them is a day trip and not really considered travel at all.
If I lived in London, and visited Paris for the day, I wouldn't really consider that traveling - 2 hr train ride there, visit, 2 hr train ride home. though it would technically be traveling.
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@JaredBusch said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Passport free travel in the EU is basically the same as passport free travel between US states.
The US has two hundred more years as a cohesive unit than the EU is all.
Well that, and each EU member has their own country level government and maybe their own "state" governements within. Where each state in the US has only state level governments.
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@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
But no one would say "I'm traveling down the street" or "I'm traveling to Texas".
They'd say "I'm taking a walk" or "I'm moving to Texas"
I wouldn't say I'm "traveling to the UK" either though.
I would say "I'm visiting the UK" or "I'm visiting Texas."
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@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@JaredBusch said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Passport free travel in the EU is basically the same as passport free travel between US states.
The US has two hundred more years as a cohesive unit than the EU is all.
Well that, and each EU member has their own country level government. Where each state in the US has only state level governments.
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@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@JaredBusch said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Passport free travel in the EU is basically the same as passport free travel between US states.
The US has two hundred more years as a cohesive unit than the EU is all.
Well that, and each EU member has their own country level government. Where each state in the US has only state level governments.
That's kind of the same thing. Each EU member is a member state, and they have state level governments. And a central confederate government.
It IS different than the US, but less different than people think. In many ways, the EU is more centralized, not less, than the US.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
But no one would say "I'm traveling down the street" or "I'm traveling to Texas".
They'd say "I'm taking a walk" or "I'm moving to Texas"
I wouldn't say I'm "traveling to the UK" either though.
I would say "I'm visiting the UK" or "I'm visiting Texas."
But most people would.
"I like to travel."
"Oh nice, to where have to traveled?"
"UK, Ireland, Mexico, etc."
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
I'm not saying that domestic travel isn't valid, just that to most of the world when you say "I like to travel" they assume you mean international. Not "I drive nearby on the weekend."
In Panama, for example, traveling to a different region to go to the beach is not considered travel, it's just what you do on weekends. In America, going to Florida for the weekend is considered a travel activity. Same thing, different viewpoints of the same activity.
Most of America can't drive to Florida for the weekend. Maybe 20% of the country could do that.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
We were talking about international travel, not going to the store or whatever. People mean international mostly when they say travel (maybe not americans, again, proving the point that you feel Chicago is travel.)
Also there ARE places in the US where passports are required or effectively required, like southern Texas and Puerto Rico.
huh - I suppose most world citizens likely consider travel to really mean international travel - but I highly doubt that most Americans consider travel to mainly mean international.
I suppose I could ask my stupid FB feed.
Right, that's my POINT. Americans are SO anti-travel that they define it differently than the rest of the world! That's how extreme it is.
Again, your world view is getting in the way. Most other countries are so small that travel inside of them is a day trip and not really considered travel at all.
Wow, you think that's how most countries are? The whole world isn't central Europe. For very few places is international travel a day trip, that's crazy.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
If I lived in London, and visited Paris for the day, I wouldn't really consider that traveling - 2 hr train ride there, visit, 2 hr train ride home. though it would technically be traveling.
It's way more traveling than going to Chicago. It's a serious distance, it's different land masses, it's a different country, both cities are well into their respective countries (not like border towns), different languages, different culture, different history, different food... how much more travel can something be?
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I can take a day trip to Canada. That's the only place where I coud "take a day trip"
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@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
I can take a day trip to Canada. That's the only place where I coud "take a day trip"
Or Mexico, if you lived near that border.
In Romania, it takes an entire day just to get from the center of the country to a border. It's nearly impossible to day trip anywhere even from core European countries.
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
We were talking about international travel, not going to the store or whatever. People mean international mostly when they say travel (maybe not americans, again, proving the point that you feel Chicago is travel.)
Also there ARE places in the US where passports are required or effectively required, like southern Texas and Puerto Rico.
huh - I suppose most world citizens likely consider travel to really mean international travel - but I highly doubt that most Americans consider travel to mainly mean international.
I suppose I could ask my stupid FB feed.
Right, that's my POINT. Americans are SO anti-travel that they define it differently than the rest of the world! That's how extreme it is.
Again, your world view is getting in the way. Most other countries are so small that travel inside of them is a day trip and not really considered travel at all.
Wow, you think that's how most countries are? The whole world isn't central Europe. For very few places is international travel a day trip, that's crazy.
I said inside their own country is a day trip.. But that's not the case for much of the US. A day trip for me is to KC or Des Moines. A weekend trip is Chicago - it's a long weekend (7 hrs by car). A traveling trip is to Dallas, Florida, SF, etc. more like 12+ hours by car.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
If I lived in London, and visited Paris for the day, I wouldn't really consider that traveling - 2 hr train ride there, visit, 2 hr train ride home. though it would technically be traveling.
So NY to London was not traveling during the Concord era? Basically, by defining by "ease" or "time" you risk making travel not even a concept, rather than having it be by location, culture, nationality, etc.
It sounds like I'm about the only person I know of who has even traveled to know what it is like, having been so far that it takes more than a day to come and go and having stayed long enough to need a house, etc. That doesn't really make sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@DustinB3403 said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
I can take a day trip to Canada. That's the only place where I coud "take a day trip"
Or Mexico, if you lived near that border.
In Romania, it takes an entire day just to get from the center of the country to a border. It's nearly impossible to day trip anywhere even from core European countries.
THAT'S my point - you can't day to another country - so that's why international is considered traveling there. Because a day trip is almost entirely local, same country.
Well I can do much more than a day trip and STAY completely in the US. It takes 24hrs of driving for me to get to LA. that's traveling.
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@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@Dashrender said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
@scottalanmiller said in Moving to Guaranteed Basic Income:
Because you need a passport to GO somewhere else in the US.
You do? Since when do you need a passport to travel between states in the US? I'm going to Chicago next week - I don't plan to take my passport.
We were talking about international travel, not going to the store or whatever. People mean international mostly when they say travel (maybe not americans, again, proving the point that you feel Chicago is travel.)
Also there ARE places in the US where passports are required or effectively required, like southern Texas and Puerto Rico.
huh - I suppose most world citizens likely consider travel to really mean international travel - but I highly doubt that most Americans consider travel to mainly mean international.
I suppose I could ask my stupid FB feed.
Right, that's my POINT. Americans are SO anti-travel that they define it differently than the rest of the world! That's how extreme it is.
Again, your world view is getting in the way. Most other countries are so small that travel inside of them is a day trip and not really considered travel at all.
Wow, you think that's how most countries are? The whole world isn't central Europe. For very few places is international travel a day trip, that's crazy.
I said inside their own country is a day trip.. But that's not the case for much of the US. A day trip for me is to KC or Des Moines. A weekend trip is Chicago - it's a long weekend (7 hrs by car). A traveling trip is to Dallas, Florida, SF, etc. more like 12+ hours by car.
Even in places like the UK or Germany, the country itself isn't a day trip.
