UNRAID: Did it improve since 2017?
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Recently had a discussion about NAS devices, Synology, ReadyNAS, TrueNAS, OpenNAS, OpenMediaVault and the like.
Co-Worker suggested going with UNRAID and in look at it - it seemed an option for the fifteen year old hardware I have (much much newer drives). The GUI looks impressive - hitting all the metrics like a very experienced used car salesman out fishing the lot. (FWIW: Co-worker came from Google, is deep into AI, has a strong and impressive Proxmox system (some five or six nodes) - so likely knows more of it than I)
UNRAID appears to only come up once here on ML, this from 2017: Examining unRAID Storage from @scottalanmiller mentions it is a non-starter. Poor performance, low reliability and a number of other things.
While generally the core of a system does not change much over several years, I am curious if somehow this software gained any improvements in almost nine years.
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@gjacobse said in UNRAID: Did it improve since 2017?:
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UNraid was a scam. Now they just resell stuff. No value.
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@scottalanmiller said in UNRAID: Did it improve since 2017?:
@gjacobse said in UNRAID: Did it improve since 2017?:
Co-worker came
UNraid was a scam. Now they just resell stuff. No value.
This.
As with all NAS type systems, you're really better off managing the storage yourself. NAS are really only for those that don't know enough to properly manage storage for themself.
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While I get the potential desire of Unraid, an easy to use web/gui to administer your storage.
What I don't understand is why you wouldn't do this with standard mdadm and Cockpit (with Storage Module) and nothing else.
Unraid seems like a OS built because they could, not because it was needed. Whereas something like Rocky Linux or Ubuntu are extremely common place and you can find support for them everywhere.
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As they said... UNraid takes something you don't need and makes it seem nice and pretty. But back up and answer.... why would you want something in the CATEGORY of UNraid? You have to have a purpose. Otherwise we're just pointing out its an untrustworthy product that you should never evaluate because of who they are - storage you can't trust. Like TrueNAS, a vendor built on lies and scams is a bad place to be for your storage. When you can't have trust, you can't use as storage.
But before you get to vendor trust, what value would the product potentially have? I've never had a situation where I said "If only I could trust these guys, this would meet my needs." It just doesn't come up. It's a product without a purpose.
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I can't say I trust it,.. to few would suggest it, and the few that might mention it have regularly said - no.
That said - ... what I really find interesting is that I have now seen it mentioned twice now in almost as many days... Just seemed funny and needed some 'additional' exposure.
I have an end goal - and with that an expectation that it will be done similar to how (sane) enterprise solutions would be done. In some regard - I enjoy the challenge of making a number of differently aged platforms work together - but if I want to extend my marketable skills - they need to be,.. in line with the market.
Proxmox may not be common in day to day discussions, but it's been around long enough - and has proven itself that it is 'on par / scale' as most Virtualization software out. So, I'm learning that and rather enjoying it.
But, storage is a failing point for my rack currently. With the ReadyNas biting the dust about a year ago, I decided on a solution, and would rather build anything I put online.
I have several monster cases which could be used,.. or I could go with an prebuilt system... But they quickly exceed the permissible budget..
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@gjacobse said in UNRAID: Did it improve since 2017?:
I can't say I trust it,.. to few would suggest it, and the few that might mention it have regularly said - no.
That said - ... what I really find interesting is that I have now seen it mentioned twice now in almost as many days... Just seemed funny and needed some 'additional' exposure.
I have an end goal - and with that an expectation that it will be done similar to how (sane) enterprise solutions would be done. In some regard - I enjoy the challenge of making a number of differently aged platforms work together - but if I want to extend my marketable skills - they need to be,.. in line with the market.
Proxmox may not be common in day to day discussions, but it's been around long enough - and has proven itself that it is 'on par / scale' as most Virtualization software out. So, I'm learning that and rather enjoying it.
But, storage is a failing point for my rack currently. With the ReadyNas biting the dust about a year ago, I decided on a solution, and would rather build anything I put online.
I have several monster cases which could be used,.. or I could go with an prebuilt system... But they quickly exceed the permissible budget..
Leverage Proxmox and reuse those drives however you can along with it. There are many ways to utilize the drives you already have, it's just a matter of figuring out the best way to make it happen on your budget.
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@gjacobse said in UNRAID: Did it improve since 2017?:
I can't say I trust it,.. to few would suggest it, and the few that might mention it have regularly said - no.
That said - ... what I really find interesting is that I have now seen it mentioned twice now in almost as many days... Just seemed funny and needed some 'additional' exposure.
I have an end goal - and with that an expectation that it will be done similar to how (sane) enterprise solutions would be done. In some regard - I enjoy the challenge of making a number of differently aged platforms work together - but if I want to extend my marketable skills - they need to be,.. in line with the market.
Proxmox may not be common in day to day discussions, but it's been around long enough - and has proven itself that it is 'on par / scale' as most Virtualization software out. So, I'm learning that and rather enjoying it.
But, storage is a failing point for my rack currently. With the ReadyNas biting the dust about a year ago, I decided on a solution, and would rather build anything I put online.
I have several monster cases which could be used,.. or I could go with an prebuilt system... But they quickly exceed the permissible budget..
I don't have any issue with having a discussion around a technological approach. What I do tend to have an issue with is when someone says "this thing is a magic bullet to solve every problem" but they can't explain why it's a magic bullet.
From your point of view, the ask to the other party is "what is Unraid doing that can't be done with mdadm and Cockpit?"
If they need an explanation, spin up a rocky vm with 6 disks, 2 for an R1 and the rest for an R10 (for laughs), it's the same process with a web gui to administer the storage.
Do the same thing on hardware and you have yourself an Array that isn't using a lesser known piece of software compared to existing and well known tools.
