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    Server 2012 R2 Storage Spaces versus Hardware RAID, how do you decide?

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    • creaytC
      creayt
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      Crystal benchmarks coming shortly.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @creayt
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        @creayt said:

        The IOs/sec seems terrible with both options, I think these drives are supposed to do 100,000 EACH and both benchmarks pull less than 50,000. That said, I don't fully grasp IOPS yet or how to correctly test it so this may just be my being ignorant at the moment.

        IOPS are operations and not all operations are equal.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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          @MattSpeller said:

          This thread is giving me a hardware stiffy, I need to figure out how to do this for a living.

          I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

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          • MattSpellerM
            MattSpeller @creayt
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            @creayt said:

            The IOs/sec seems terrible with both options, I think these drives are supposed to do 100,000 EACH and both benchmarks pull less than 50,000.

            You're right there, have you tried a larger test file?

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              From these numbers, the hardware RAID is coming back with better IOPS, better throughput and lower latency!

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              • MattSpellerM
                MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

                Is there a way to apprentice for this kind of thing? I need beautiful bleeding edge hardware in my life very badly.

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                • creaytC
                  creayt @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  From these numbers, the hardware RAID is coming back with better IOPS, better throughput and lower latency!

                  The hardware RAID is a 6 drive OBR10, and this is a read test, so it's actually losing pretty hard with the exception of a few latency anomalies ( average is 0 for both ), no? Reading from 6 drives versus 4. I haven't run the write tests yet.

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                  • creaytC
                    creayt @MattSpeller
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                    @MattSpeller said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

                    Is there a way to apprentice for this kind of thing? I need beautiful bleeding edge hardware in my life very badly.

                    So do I, so do I.

                    I was so close to pulling the trigger on an MSI Stealth Pro w/ a 5th-gen i7 quad last night but then I remembered what you said about Skylake being around the corner. This Radeon 5750 running 3 1440p monitors bullshit is really killing my experience.

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                    • MattSpellerM
                      MattSpeller @creayt
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                      @creayt That'd be a nice machine regardless

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                      • creaytC
                        creayt @MattSpeller
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                        @MattSpeller said:

                        @creayt That'd be a nice machine regardless

                        Mostly while I become legit w/ system building and overclocking I want a large-screen laptop that can drive 3 screens at 60Hz, so that one seemed excellent for the price ( $1699 ). But it just seems self-indulgent to pick up a semi-cutting-edge-ish laptop like that when the new proc generation is less than 2 months away. Especially if they reduce heat substantially, this is a thin 17" workstation that probably gets pretty hot, so probably worth the wait twice over. It's running an GTX 970M 3GB I think, which w/ the quad core proc in that thin of a shell probably gets pretty steamy.

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                        • creaytC
                          creayt @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          From these numbers, the hardware RAID is coming back with better IOPS, better throughput and lower latency!

                          Taking the threads up past the default 2 to 16 ( it's a dual proc octocore so I chose 16, correct me if that's a poor choice ) gets the numbers almost exactly the same interestingly. Except, the hardware RAID had a latency that was about 50% worse than the worst latencey the Space had, and again this is 6 drives ( hardware ) versus 4.

                          16thread.png

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                          • MattSpellerM
                            MattSpeller @creayt
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                            @creayt metal coffee mug + the fan blowing hot air out the side... 😉

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                            • creaytC
                              creayt
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                              Running Crystals then will do some write IO tests.

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                              • creaytC
                                creayt
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                                The Storage Space seemed to beat the hardware in Crystal when considering disk quantity.

                                crushy.jpg

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                                • creaytC
                                  creayt
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                                  Hardware RAID appears to be walloping the Space w/ the SQLIO tool for write testing so far. Results to follow.

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                                  • creaytC
                                    creayt
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                                    8 thread writes @ 8k
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                                    16 thread writes @ 64k
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                                    • creaytC
                                      creayt
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                                      Ok, who dares me to install 2012 on OBR ZERO just to run some Crystal and see what she can do?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
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                                        Oh I see, different drive config.

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                                        • ?
                                          A Former User @MattSpeller
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                                          @MattSpeller said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

                                          Is there a way to apprentice for this kind of thing? I need beautiful bleeding edge hardware in my life very badly.

                                          It doesn't pay much. I did it as a contract job for a while. We did high end (many times custom) servers for GE, Coast Guard, Mining Companies, food industry etc. Back then (2007 or 2008). We were doing servers with 48-100 cores, double that thread with hyperthreading. And around 512gb ram. Some SSDs stuff too though the ssds were a bit unreliable back then.

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                                          • creaytC
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                                            So the RAID controller had a subtle, ambiguous setting available to switch it from PCIe 2 mode to PCIe 3 mode ( though it was labeled something more cryptic ). Simply enabling it made it jump from this:

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                                            to this:

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                                            Thank god for iDRACs.

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