What Are You Doing Right Now
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Also, keep in mind that the age of having kids is heavily dependent on death rates. Women used to die while having kids, constantly. Men had kids until they were old, often very old. Just with different, young women that they would "often" marry young in the hopes of them having kids. Women had to have kids at their medical prime or the risk was just too great. And because women were in short supply everyone had to marry them young and start trying to have kids straight away, or they'd get pregnant and die. It was a pretty morbid time. but it was what it was.
So our ideas of when kids were born was based mostly around the age of the mothers, not the fathers. Today, married couples tend to be of similar age. Men still older, but a few years, not a few decades. Men have not greatly changed when they have kids, but women have mostly out of medical necessity.
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@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Society generally discourages stupid decisions - why would we change course on this one.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Going have to bow out for now. Have to head to Colo before going to @scottalanmiller's house tonight.
Colorado? That's a long drive between now and this evening.
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@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
- I'd argue that teenagers have rarely if ever been mature enough to raise children on their own - just because it had to be done for various reasons does not make it correct.
I'd argue that with ALL of adults.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
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@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
- You also used to be able to challenge people to a duel and shoot them dead. This also does not make it right.
Are you suggesting that dueling wasn't awesome? if so, I challenge you...
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
- You also used to be able to challenge people to a duel and shoot them dead. This also does not make it right.
Are you suggesting that dueling wasn't awesome? if so, I challenge you...
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Man this meme is going to wear out fast at this pace.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang with an 1850 era 17 year old.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang with an 1850 era 17 year old.
Most actually, I bet. 1850s dandies weren't so smooth.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang with an 1850 era 17 year old.
Most actually, I bet. 1850s dandies weren't so smooth.
I wasn't talking about rich bitch 19th century teens. Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang for 1 day on a farm or ranch... something where they actually had to work to survive.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang with an 1850 era 17 year old.
Most actually, I bet. 1850s dandies weren't so smooth.
I wasn't talking about rich bitch 19th century teens. Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang for 1 day on a farm or ranch... something where they actually had to work to survive.
Show me a modern day human that could stand toe to toe with a Neanderthal. When they actually had to work to survive.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang with an 1850 era 17 year old.
Most actually, I bet. 1850s dandies weren't so smooth.
I wasn't talking about rich bitch 19th century teens. Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang for 1 day on a farm or ranch... something where they actually had to work to survive.
Show me a modern day human that could stand toe to toe with a Neanderthal. When they actually had to work to survive.
Unga bunga. Captain Caaaaaaaaaaavvvvvvveeeee Maaaaaaaaaaaan!
Edit: Holy crap, I feel old.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
That's my point. In modern society, teenagers have reached nowhere near the level of maturity of 100 or 500 years ago, ergo they have no business making babies. In the long ago, a teenager had been held to modern adult level responsibilities in order to survive. Having a kid was part of that. Now teenagers are soft and whiny, not great qualities for a potential parent.
I just think that our standards for maturity are much higher.
Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang with an 1850 era 17 year old.
Most actually, I bet. 1850s dandies weren't so smooth.
I wasn't talking about rich bitch 19th century teens. Show me a modern 17 year old that could hang for 1 day on a farm or ranch... something where they actually had to work to survive.
Show me a modern day human that could stand toe to toe with a Neanderthal. When they actually had to work to survive.
Actually, most Europeans are the descendants of the Neaderthals.
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Just mowed the lawn. holy crap am I warm now.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just mowed the lawn. holy crap am I warm now.
Sweet. You want to go and mow mine now? It's not much bigger than yours.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just mowed the lawn. holy crap am I warm now.
Sweet. You want to go and mow mine now? It's not much bigger than yours.
My hand is already bleeding from mowing this one.
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I think one of the biggest things about democracy is that it makes everyone feel like they are not at fault for the results. They can blame "society" rather than accepting that they should work to ensure good government.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing?
How about destroying one's chances of furthering education as a start. Insufficient income would be next....
What about teen pregnancy prevents further education? Insufficient income? Well, I guess all those kinds in China should just be dead then, eh? or you pick whatever third world country you like.
Lack of education does not lead to death. you do realize that China as one of the lowest teen birth rates, right?
Everything about pregnancy, teen or otherwise, leads to less educational and career options. Kids take time and resources that would otherwise be available for education and career.
Did you see that my China comment was preceeded by "insufficient income" that is where I was going, not the education thing. I am fully aware that lack of education does not lead to death, again, how would we be here as a species if that was true.
