What Are You Doing Right Now
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@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Simple answer, though, is that for something to be a backup, it has to be a copy of an original. If the original vanishes, it's no longer a copy, but what used to be the backup becomes the original (or source.) To be a backup, the original must still exist.
If the original ceases to exist, but you moved your primary from production to low tier storage, we refer to that as an archive. Archives are the source data, but aren't kept at production readiness. This could mean a low tier of disks, or even tape in a vault.
The thing in particular I'm trying to wrap my head around is how the 3-2-1 method of backups work with (or doesn't work) the concept of Grandfather-father-son archiving.
This is good knowledge, but not really part of the what's a backup vs archive vs copy question.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
I consider a whole solution as backup+, it's not a plain jane backup.
Other than being your own term, Backup+, it makes sense.
That might be a bad term as I bet someday CompTIA will make that a cert. If they don't, we should. lol
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@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
Just not a backup of updated data
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
I consider a whole solution as backup+, it's not a plain jane backup.
Other than being your own term, Backup+, it makes sense.
That might be a bad term as I bet someday CompTIA will make that a cert. If they don't, we should. lol
Please don't give them any ideas.
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@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
I consider a whole solution as backup+, it's not a plain jane backup.
Other than being your own term, Backup+, it makes sense.
That might be a bad term as I bet someday CompTIA will make that a cert. If they don't, we should. lol
Please don't give them any ideas.
Too late, they real ML. @animal
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
How much did the switch from the desktop Dialpad.com app matter when you changed them? I have been thinking about doing this for my own platform, or more of a 3cx interface. But I am not sure at the end of the day it would make any difference.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
Just not a backup of updated data
Agreed - and most backups are of stale data because few systems only have static data. But I made the caveat in case anyone wanted to shred me over it.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
Just not a backup of updated data
Agreed - and most backups are of stale data because few systems only have static data. But I made the caveat in case anyone wanted to shred me over it.
Post / reply shredders are Care Bears at heart.
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@bigbear said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
How much did the switch from the desktop Dialpad.com app matter when you changed them? I have been thinking about doing this for my own platform, or more of a 3cx interface. But I am not sure at the end of the day it would make any difference.
The three users had the DialPad interface, but really, they didn't care about it. They do not currently have any web interface for the FreePBX system. If they want it in the future, we'll look into FOP2.
They had physical phones before, that's what they have now, that's what they wanted. They didn't even want softphones - though that might be coming and the problems with roaming and the Responsive Firewall will come to a head. -
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
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@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
Just not a backup of updated data
Agreed - and most backups are of stale data because few systems only have static data. But I made the caveat in case anyone wanted to shred me over it.
Post / reply shredders are Care Bears at heart.
Don't try to dress @JaredBusch up in a pretty pink dress.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
Just not a backup of updated data
Agreed - and most backups are of stale data because few systems only have static data. But I made the caveat in case anyone wanted to shred me over it.
Post / reply shredders are Care Bears at heart.
Don't try to dress @JaredBusch up in a pretty pink dress.
I think that would go well with one of his fedoras ^_^
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
Oh, I'd not likely call that hosted FreePBX then. More of running it in house.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
Oh, I'd not likely call that hosted FreePBX then. More of running it in house.
aww - ok it's in Vultr, but ya.. I guess your thinking is now in sync with mine.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
What kind of phones are you using?
And I have another big question: Am I the only one that gives small offices under 50 phones 2 to 3 directed parking buttons? To give that key system-like feature of "Hey theres a call on 2 for you"
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@bigbear said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
What kind of phones are you using?
And I have another big question: Am I the only one that gives small offices under 50 phones 2 to 3 directed parking buttons? To give that key system-like feature of "Hey theres a call on 2 for you"
Yealink T46S phones.
I have zero parking buttons at this time.
We're not a car dealership - putting a call on hold and then telling someone - hey go get it.. I guess some businesses need that. We don't in my day job, nor does this client. Instead they just transfer the calls directly to the person, after making sure they are there to take it.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@bigbear said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
What kind of phones are you using?
And I have another big question: Am I the only one that gives small offices under 50 phones 2 to 3 directed parking buttons? To give that key system-like feature of "Hey theres a call on 2 for you"
Yealink T46S phones.
I have zero parking buttons at this time.
We're not a car dealership - putting a call on hold and then telling someone - hey go get it.. I guess some businesses need that. We don't in my day job, nor does this client. Instead they just transfer the calls directly to the person, after making sure they are there to take it.
I have replaced hundreds of key systems over the years, and early on I started with directed parking and they loved it. But I notice in my circles I hang out it some are baffled at why it mattered.
I feel like BLF and directed parking buttons was a major factor in beating RingCentral and 8x8 for years.
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@bigbear said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@bigbear said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
I'm surprised that the number was that low. DialPad is 25% cheaper than RingCentral, I'd expect needing more like 15 people to go to a hosted FreePBX solution at least. DP looks like a pretty nice solution overall. Did you ever compare it to RC?
Nope. I'm not doing this at a full business level like JB is... I'm cutting my teeth on it. So they aren't paying much more than costs, so FreePBX comes in very cheap.
Plus I said look at FreePBX - but again, because low costs + me learning.. AND we know they will be adding another 6+ extensions in the next 6 months... avoiding the porting issues would be good (took 5 weeks to port the number this time).
What kind of phones are you using?
And I have another big question: Am I the only one that gives small offices under 50 phones 2 to 3 directed parking buttons? To give that key system-like feature of "Hey theres a call on 2 for you"
Yealink T46S phones.
I have zero parking buttons at this time.
We're not a car dealership - putting a call on hold and then telling someone - hey go get it.. I guess some businesses need that. We don't in my day job, nor does this client. Instead they just transfer the calls directly to the person, after making sure they are there to take it.
I have replaced hundreds of key systems over the years, and early on I started with directed parking and they loved it. But I notice in my circles I hang out it some are baffled at why it mattered.
I feel like BLF and directed parking buttons was a major factor in beating RingCentral and 8x8 for years.
BLF - as in a button blinking to know when your boss was on the phone or not?
What exactly is directed parking - perhaps there is some benefit I'm just not understanding.
