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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @GUIn00b
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      @GUIn00b said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      hating ZFS more and more each day, lol

      I've quickly discovered there is a fervent populus of ZFS defenders and apologists. It reminds me of the RAID-5 knife fights ....err I mean discussions ๐Ÿ˜‰

      You sure do know how to pick a nemesis, SAM ๐Ÿ˜†

      More they picked one with me. I've been a storage and filesystem expert since before ZFS released and the ZFS team worked on the original SAM-SD design with me. The Cult of ZFS people literally picked a fight with me and the ZFS team ten years after this stuff was old hat, lol.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Also, today is yet another day of slowly and expensively helping a company recover both their ProxMox and TrueNAS deployments that were done on ZFS and all was lost and no vendor had any means of recovering anything.

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        • siringoS
          siringo
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          reimaging malware infested laptops

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            Also, today is yet another day of slowly and expensively helping a company recover both their ProxMox and TrueNAS deployments that were done on ZFS and all was lost and no vendor had any means of recovering anything.

            Did they back up their PRoxMox to their TruNAS and they both went under?

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            • nadnerBN
              nadnerB @siringo
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              @siringo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              reimaging malware infested laptops

              Ewww wash your hands when youโ€™re done ๐Ÿ˜œ

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @Obsolesce
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                @Obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                Also, today is yet another day of slowly and expensively helping a company recover both their ProxMox and TrueNAS deployments that were done on ZFS and all was lost and no vendor had any means of recovering anything.

                Did they back up their PRoxMox to their TruNAS and they both went under?

                Or the ghost story of IT deployments.

                ProxMox with main storage on TruNAS... ooooooOOOOOOo scary!

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                • RojoLocoR
                  RojoLoco @nadnerB
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                  @nadnerB said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @siringo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  reimaging malware infested laptops

                  Ewww wash your hands when youโ€™re done ๐Ÿ˜œ

                  ...whether or not there is malware, users are NASTY. That's why I keep nitrile gloves and isopropyl alcohol on my desk. And I make a point of putting the gloves on in front of the user before anything.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                    @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @Obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    Also, today is yet another day of slowly and expensively helping a company recover both their ProxMox and TrueNAS deployments that were done on ZFS and all was lost and no vendor had any means of recovering anything.

                    Did they back up their PRoxMox to their TruNAS and they both went under?

                    Or the ghost story of IT deployments.

                    ProxMox with main storage on TruNAS... ooooooOOOOOOo scary!

                    NO! Worse. TrueNAS on top of ProxMox. So ZFS on top of ZFS!!

                    All the ZFS cultists are so ready to say why you can't do ZFS on top of hardware RAID to try to discredit hardware RAID (when in reality, it is ZFS that is unstable) that they ignore that doing it on top of ANY other system would have the exact same results. So they miss that ZFS on top of ZFS is far, far worse than ZFS on top of something stable.

                    So the level of disaster is incredible. All teh complexity, all the fragility of ZFS (TWICE) and no ZFS advantages because it is stripped away by the encapsulation of the ZFS by the other ZFS system.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                      @Obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      Also, today is yet another day of slowly and expensively helping a company recover both their ProxMox and TrueNAS deployments that were done on ZFS and all was lost and no vendor had any means of recovering anything.

                      Did they back up their PRoxMox to their TruNAS and they both went under?

                      no, no backups. Data was all stored on TrueNAS. TrueNAS was stored on ProxMox. "ZFS is so reliable you don't need backups" was the idea, I guess. And no hardware failed. Just ZFS failed. Pure software failure. All hardware is pristine and working great. But ZFS just lost... everything due to internal design fragility that makes it prone to data loss on reboot.

                      Original IT company seems to have known this and disabled all reboots. Kept them up for 2.5 years. First reboot after going live resulted in total data loss because ZFS on Linux isn't expected to reliably survive reboots in that way!

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        Kept them up for 2.5 years.

                        Tf?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                          @Obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          Kept them up for 2.5 years.

                          Tf?

                          Right? One reboot and.... ZFS can't find any drives because ZFS uses ephemeral designations for its drives and has no known way to discover drives once that ephemeral identification is lost. So any random reboot can cause the array to just... vanish, even though ZFS can see all the drives just fine and knows that they are ZFS drives.

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @Obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            Also, today is yet another day of slowly and expensively helping a company recover both their ProxMox and TrueNAS deployments that were done on ZFS and all was lost and no vendor had any means of recovering anything.

                            Did they back up their PRoxMox to their TruNAS and they both went under?

                            no, no backups. Data was all stored on TrueNAS. TrueNAS was stored on ProxMox. "ZFS is so reliable you don't need backups" was the idea, I guess. And no hardware failed. Just ZFS failed. Pure software failure. All hardware is pristine and working great. But ZFS just lost... everything due to internal design fragility that makes it prone to data loss on reboot.

                            Original IT company seems to have known this and disabled all reboots. Kept them up for 2.5 years. First reboot after going live resulted in total data loss because ZFS on Linux isn't expected to reliably survive reboots in that way!

                            Dang, and here I thought my ghost story was scarry!

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                            • siringoS
                              siringo
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                              dull basic sysadmin stuff on a sunny friday.

                              go hawks!

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                              • RojoLocoR
                                RojoLoco
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                                Working from home (kinda), but mostly running around making sure everything is ready for our trip tomorrow. The band has a gig in Piedmont, Alabama tomorrow at an outdoor doom festival. We're not really sure what to expect, but we are the co-headliners. At least we have t-shirts to sell.

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                                • siringoS
                                  siringo
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                                  working on a saturday!

                                  listening to David Nance

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                                  • siringoS
                                    siringo
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                                    updating veeam on servers with cylance AV. not a pretty exercise, not terrible, but could be easier.

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                                    • nadnerBN
                                      nadnerB
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                                      Moving from iOS to Android...
                                      Honestly wasn't ready to but events have transpired to move things along.

                                      Not sure how I feel about it.

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                                      • gjacobseG
                                        gjacobse @nadnerB
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                                        @nadnerB said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        Moving from iOS to Android...
                                        Honestly wasn't ready to but events have transpired to move things along.

                                        Not sure how I feel about it.

                                        I have been on iOS for ,.. since iPhone 3โ€ฆ.

                                        I do need Android for one task,.. which is a shame. Application isnโ€™t available for iOS. (WoAD)

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                                        • nadnerBN
                                          nadnerB @gjacobse
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                                          @gjacobse I've only been using them since ~2016
                                          Got quite used to it.

                                          Was on Windows Phone before that, and Android before that.
                                          Last version was 2.3 on an HTC Desire!

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                                          • WrCombsW
                                            WrCombs
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                                            Few updates-
                                            Been getting pretty familiar with wordpress and squarespace recently
                                            Got my very own first digital camera that isn't a cell phone
                                            Upgraded to 3 monitors at my desk for work

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