Another Personal Storage Discussion

travisdh1

@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.

For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.

Crashplan works well for this.

Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which

a) requires an answer to my original question and
b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locally

if it's for home it doesn't really matter if you are storing it locally.. you don't for companies cause you want a central place to backup..

At home my workstation laptop (Lenovo P70) is that central place. Crash Plan lets me backup unlimited data from one computer and I backup a lot.

Hey I don't want people seeing all my stuff!

Crashplan always encrypts before sending. Add your own private key and you've got true TNO (trust no one) backups. You just get the fun of trying to secure and backup that private key

Deleted74295

My OneDrive for business data downloads onto my desktop too and all data is backed up on my desktop to a proper cloud backup provider.

So I have 2 copies of my data and a true backup.

BRRABill

@JaredBusch said

Google hit #1
http://documents.software.dell.com/administrator-for-office-365/1.0/user-guide/backup/backup-functions/creating-a-onedrive-for-business-backup

That looks to be a proprietary DELL solution.

I know there are options to backup O365. (For example, Datto has one, as do other companies.)

Again, just wondering what others are doing who aren't saving data locally.

BRRABill

@Breffni-Potter said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

My OneDrive for business data downloads onto my desktop too and all data is backed up on my desktop to a proper cloud backup provider.

So I have 2 copies of my data and a true backup.

Is the local data encrypted on your machine? Do you have no concern of the loss of that machine?

I use a laptop, but perhaps I am just projecting the higher risk of losing that to the desktop/NAS arena. I mean, am I just being over paranoid about losing a machine here?

cakeis_not_alie

@BRRABill Stupid question: if you have The Fear of losing your NAS, why not just use the built-in encryption on the NAS? Or post an NFS share to a file server VM that will store the data in an encrypted container of some sort?

https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/File_Sharing/How_to_encrypt_and_decrypt_shared_folders_on_my_Synology_NAS

Que?

JaredBusch

@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

Again, just wondering what others are doing who aren't saving data locally.

You don't. what is the point? This is one of the things you pay for.

JaredBusch

@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@JaredBusch said

Google hit #1
http://documents.software.dell.com/administrator-for-office-365/1.0/user-guide/backup/backup-functions/creating-a-onedrive-for-business-backup

That looks to be a proprietary DELL solution.

I know there are options to backup O365. (For example, Datto has one, as do other companies.)

WTF else are you after? You want to backup, you buy a backup solution. Does not matter if it is Office 365 or local.

http://spanning.com/products/office365-backup/
http://cloudfinder.com/office-365-backup/
https://www.skykick.com/backup

cakeis_not_alie

@JaredBusch Well, personally, I tend to prefer open source backup solutions, but maybe this is the wrong crowd for such radical ideas.

StrongBad

@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@JaredBusch Well, personally, I tend to prefer open source backup solutions, but maybe this is the wrong crowd for such radical ideas.

Is there an open source product out there that will handle OneDrive backups?

Dashrender

@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@JaredBusch Well, personally, I tend to prefer open source backup solutions, but maybe this is the wrong crowd for such radical ideas.

The issue here for Bill is - what open source backup solution will backup directly out of ODfB and OneDrive to a backup location?

That and Bill believes that it's ML's claim to fame that no date should ever be local to the user, EVER. Which I don't think is the case, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Bill has taken past posts to indicate that one should never have local data, if that's not true, please convince him why it's not.

cakeis_not_alie

@StrongBad Not directly. That said, I simply add OneDrive to my NAS (so that everyone can access it, and I don't need it on everyone's individual machines), and then back that one drive folder up to Backblaze. Because I'm lazy.

Dashrender

@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@StrongBad Not directly. That said, I simply add OneDrive to my NAS (so that everyone can access it, and I don't need it on everyone's individual machines), and then back that one drive folder up to Backblaze. Because I'm lazy.

There's a OneDrive client for your NAS? cool - problem solved, well expect for the theft problem Bill worries about.

BRRABill

@Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@StrongBad Not directly. That said, I simply add OneDrive to my NAS (so that everyone can access it, and I don't need it on everyone's individual machines), and then back that one drive folder up to Backblaze. Because I'm lazy.

There's a OneDrive client for your NAS? cool - problem solved, well expect for the theft problem Bill worries about.

I'm assuming he means he backs up his OneDrive folder to his NAS, and then backs that up.

Again, I think that would work. BUT, when I mentioned that in the past, it was recommended NOT to enable encryption on the NAS, or even the local machine. "Why are you storing data locally?"

This is the circle I am trying to close.

ML is based on discussion. I'm not sure why certain posters seem to find discussion moot anymore. It's pretty clear to me from the "how do I backup exchange online" thread the other day that there is still a lot of confusion over this.

BRRABill

@Dashrender said

That and Bill believes that it's ML's claim to fame that no date should ever be local to the user, EVER. Which I don't think is the case, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

I actually do NOT believe that. As I stated I was doing the exact opposite before I found ML, and humming along pretty happily.

But I do believe that to be a prevailing theme here on ML. Perhaps I am wrong.

cakeis_not_alie

@Dashrender Well, the simple reasons I argue against "all data in the cloud" are as follows:

It's ****ing expensive. Way more expensive than local gear
Most people's (and business') internet connections are made out of [expletive deleted]
I (and my clients) run local workloads that generally work better if I work on local data. That whole bandwidth thing.
Oh yeah, even if you have the speed, the ISPs will get you on the volume of data.
What happens if someone pwns my login?
Cloud providers do some aspects of security better than me, but they're also a big, fat, homogenous and very tempting target.
Getting hit by drive bys sucks. Even if you aren't the target, it's increasingly common to have your realm taken offline because someone is DDoSing your neighbour.
[Expletive deleted] the NSA. (This is why I only use cloud providers with zero knowledge encryption, like http://www.sync.com)
Why use cloud if all the problems I have with it can be solved by a Synology? (Or better yet, an ioSafe.)
Google are creepy, Microsoft are creepier (and evil), and I don't trust Amazon as they seem pretty coldly amoral. (Just look at their labour practices.) Call me crazy, but I do sort of like to practice some ethical selection when I spend my cash with vendors. Bizarre concept, I know.

cakeis_not_alie

@Dashrender There are NASes without OneDrive clients at this point? Pretty ghetto NASes then.

And if you're worried about someone nicking them, use the device's onboard encryption? See link above re: Synology.

cakeis_not_alie

@BRRABill "Why are you storing data locally?"

Because I am a rational, logical IT professional with over 20 years of experience. I am also a technology writer and technology marketing geek who has spent the past 5 years learning how the sausage is made.

"Don't store data locally" is nothing more than a wishlist item from overly engaged marketing types and some really hardcore brand tribalists. I can introduce you to them. Most of them are even aware they're peddling bollocks.

There are lots and lots of great reasons to store data locally that range from workloads that must be local which generally work better (and cost less) if you transact against local data, offline availability of data, the fact that ISPs are not perfectly reliable, cost, cost and cost as well as a host of availability and security concerns that are, quite frankly, more than I'm willing to go into here.

If you want, however, I'm sure I can dig up about three dozen links to various articles I've written that cover every aspect of this topic from multiple angles.

BRRABill

@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@Dashrender There are NASes without OneDrive clients at this point? Pretty ghetto NASes then.

And if you're worried about someone nicking them, use the device's onboard encryption? See link above re: Synology.

Oh yeah, I forgot they could sync there.

Again, I think this is the way to go.

I'm looking for the "don't store data locally" side to argue their side.

JaredBusch

@BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@cakeis_not_alie said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

@Dashrender There are NASes without OneDrive clients at this point? Pretty ghetto NASes then.

And if you're worried about someone nicking them, use the device's onboard encryption? See link above re: Synology.

Oh yeah, I forgot they could sync there.

Again, I think this is the way to go.

I'm looking for the "don't store data locally" side to argue their side.

I do not know anyone here that is on that "side." Sure it is recommended, but most of us can think for ourselves and make the right call for the business.

Jason

Technically besides what's on end users desktops (Not much) we don't have any local data. Cause none of our datacenters are in our office buildings we connect to them via leased fiber. but we do host everything in house for the most part except Exchange Online.