XenServer hyperconverged
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I asked to modify the picture to draw a host with the disk inside to avoid confusion
Thanks for the feedback on that guys 
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I haven't read the docs so this might be a stupid question...
Orange, Yellow & Pink each contain 2 hosts, correct?
You need to always add 2 hosts every time you scale up/out?
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
And no, you are not correct: each disk picture is a XenServer host. There is a XOSAN VM controller on each host (and an extra arbiter ONLY in 2 hosts scenario, if you grow the XOSAN from 2 to 4, no more arbiter, it's automatically removed)
OK that is what I assumed in a private chat, that each disk image, inside of each orange, yellow and pink box was it's own server.
I also mentioned that in a PM that each server in the pool would have it's own witness.
The picture is a bit confusing though. (glad you asked for an more clear depiction)
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@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
You need to always add 2 hosts every time you scale up/out?
Good question.
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@fateknollogee If you are in replicated-2, you can add:
- 2 hosts to create a new extra RAID1 (bottom of a RAID0), creating a distributed-replicated (2x2)
- 1 host to go from replicated 2 replicated 3 (data is copied on three hosts, so it's a 1x3)
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee If you are in replicated-2, you can add:
- 2 hosts to create a new extra RAID1 (bottom of a RAID0), creating a distributed-replicated (2x2)
- 1 host to go from replicated 2 replicated 3 (data is copied on three hosts, so it's a 1x3)
So you can scale in any fashion you want.
What are the benefits to scaling with 2 hosts at a time?
What are the benefits to scaling with only a single host at a time?
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@dustinb3403 Scaling at one host: going on "triplicate" (same data on each node, you have 1/3 of total disk capacity, but you can lose 2 hosts and still have data access).
Scaling by adding 2 hosts at the same time: it's adding a subvolume, so more space.
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Lets say I go from 6 hosts (like your pic above shows- Brown/Yellow/Pink) to 8 hosts...
Does the existing data get rebalanced/redistributed across all 8 hosts?
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@fateknollogee yes
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee yes
And how many copies of the data exist? I.E. how many nodes can be shut down before you loose access to data?
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@dashrender As far you don't lose a complete mirror (2 hosts on the same pair), no problem. So on 8 nodes, it means up to 4 hosts if there in one by mirror.
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@olivier So you only gain in capacity scaling in 2's? Again as I mentioned earlier I'm curious how the Write suspension functions during failure....
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dashrender As far you don't lose a complete mirror (2 hosts on the same pair), no problem. So on 8 nodes, it means up to 4 hosts if there in one by mirror.
and what happens if you do loose an entire mirrored pair?
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Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
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@olivier what happens if you add in a single host, and then later add another host so you have an even number.
Would you eventually get more storage?
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@dashrender The same thing as if you lost a mirrored pair with RAID1 or 10.
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@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingI believe it was mentioned as being a separate price entirely. So you can get XOA with or without XOSAN.
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@r3dpand4 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@olivier So you only gain in capacity scaling in 2's? Again as I mentioned earlier I'm curious how the Write suspension functions during failure....
Write are suspended few secs, works fine. Tested on Linux and Windows VMs.
@dashrender said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dashrender As far you don't lose a complete mirror (2 hosts on the same pair), no problem. So on 8 nodes, it means up to 4 hosts if there in one by mirror.
and what happens if you do loose an entire mirrored pair?
If you lose an entire mirror pair, it's like in RAID10: you will lose data.
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingNope, it will be a dedicated pricing, per pool, without number of hosts or disk space limitations.
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@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingI believe it was mentioned as being a separate price entirely. So you can get XOA with or without XOSAN.
XOA Free at least to get XOSAN (you need XOA to deploy and manage it).
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@olivier said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer hyperconverged:
@fateknollogee said in XenServer hyperconverged:
Where will XOSAN exist in this pricing structure?
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricingI believe it was mentioned as being a separate price entirely. So you can get XOA with or without XOSAN.
XOA Free at least to get XOSAN (you need XOA to deploy and manage it).
So with XOA Free you can get XOSAN?
