Unsolved analog video stream
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@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@dafyre said in analog video stream:
At my home church, they had a "broadcast" license for the music and such, so it wouldn't be an issue for our recordings to go up on vimeo...
That's normally how it is handled, AFAIK.
From when I worked for a church there was a pretty big price jump (from what I remember) from performing it live to broadcasting / podcasting the music used.
Broadcast and podcast are very different. One is live, one is recorded.
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I wish I had an IP camera here to test with personally, would be a fun test...
The nice thing about this is you'd be able to use an under-utilized computer, an IP camera in the main area (with mic), and then the TV's in the other areas.
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@dafyre said in analog video stream:
At my home church, they had a "broadcast" license for the music and such, so it wouldn't be an issue for our recordings to go up on vimeo...
That's normally how it is handled, AFAIK.
From when I worked for a church there was a pretty big price jump (from what I remember) from performing it live to broadcasting / podcasting the music used.
Broadcast and podcast are very different. One is live, one is recorded.
If you are streaming the music there is still a large fee unless you keep it local (not on the internet)
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@brianlittlejohn said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:
@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
@DustinB3403 There isn't a budget. Someone bought two TVs, and then came to me and asked me what else they needed. I guessing the TVs aren't smart TVs. Even if they are, I just tried taking a Foscam camera I had and going to it from the web browser in my samsung smart TV. It flat out didn't work. I could get to the web page, but the "server push" mode wouldn't work. (I knew the Active X mode wasn't going to work.) On my laptop, I only get audio if I download a plug in, so I don't think a camera like that is going to work on most TVs.
The other camera I have on my bench is a Ubiquiti Unifi G3 dome. I know I can't view that with a browser, so I'm going to have to set up a server just to test that unless I'm missing something.
Something you might be able to do which may be easier is to use an IP camera, and OBS, use the IP camera as a source within OBS and then make a youtube stream.
I've not got to try this before personally (using OBS and an IP camera) but I can't imagine it's not doable.
Oh, that's a potentially good idea. Get the video to YouTube then you don't have to worry about compatibility. The only issue is bandwidth.
Broadcasting on Youtube could bring in a whole new set of licensing issues for the music used during the service... just a thought.
Likely that licensing is either already handled or already a problem. But possibly there is a limit there. But can't you make YouTube private so the licensing would remain the same?
Churches are exempt from licesning music used as part of a normally schedule worship service. This exemption does not cover lyrics projected hence CCLI, nor broadcast or online steaming, podcast etc. nor does it cover special services (plays, musicals, etc)
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
Sounds like Scott knows of some cameras that can do this (I don't recall TV's coming with browsers 15 years ago though).
But a camera that works with any browser was common even then.
They were? No need for Java or Flash? or the other crap from Adobe?
FYI I didn't down vote your post
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@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
@Dashrender said in analog video stream:
Sounds like Scott knows of some cameras that can do this (I don't recall TV's coming with browsers 15 years ago though).
But a camera that works with any browser was common even then.
They were? No need for Java or Flash? or the other crap from Adobe?
FYI I didn't down vote your post
Everything used Java back then. It was standard on everything.
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Could we not hijack the tread with a Java discussion? I have my issues with Java as well, but I still don't have a camera recommendation besides a mention that an Axis camera should work. Any other suggestions?
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I would stay away from IP cameras. Use a real camera with a real mic, or its going to sound like garbled mush. It shard enough to get good sounding sanctuaries let alone using a junk camera/ mic to record with.
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So these are the stream settings I can find in OBS (nothing listed for a local stream)
Now this doesn't mean you couldn't output to a local streaming server (but this adds complexity and cost)
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@stacksofplates said in analog video stream:
I would stay away from IP cameras. Use a real camera with a real mic, or its going to sound like garbled mush. It shard enough to get good sounding sanctuaries let alone using a junk camera/ mic to record with.
Or just put the microphone on the stage and feed that in. An IP mic would work just as well.
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Of course there are people who setup their own RTMP systems to capture and broadcast the stream.
But this goes away from the direction of simple, click and go.
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How far apart are the sanctuary and places they want the feed?
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@scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:
A wonderfully simple approach to the problem. Just need a web browser. I wonder if there is a time out that needs to be watched out for.
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@stacksofplates Can you give me an example of a real camera?
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@DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:
@stacksofplates said in analog video stream:
I would stay away from IP cameras. Use a real camera with a real mic, or its going to sound like garbled mush. It shard enough to get good sounding sanctuaries let alone using a junk camera/ mic to record with.
Or just put the microphone on the stage and feed that in. An IP mic would work just as well.
On stage would be really hard to do because you can't get the full range of everything, and if you directly feed in the aux from the mixer you will pick up every pop and hum and off tone person.
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THe audio is definitely a totally different thing. You don't just record anything from a simple camera.
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@stacksofplates said in analog video stream:
@DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:
@stacksofplates said in analog video stream:
I would stay away from IP cameras. Use a real camera with a real mic, or its going to sound like garbled mush. It shard enough to get good sounding sanctuaries let alone using a junk camera/ mic to record with.
Or just put the microphone on the stage and feed that in. An IP mic would work just as well.
On stage would be really hard to do because you can't get the full range of everything, and if you directly feed in the aux from the mixer you will pick up every pop and hum and off tone person.
True... but that is where mic guards come in and audio software. If the end goal is to broadcast the sermon to the audience in different parts of the church than audio will have to be scarified a bit without going to audio studio production types of solutions.
Which is outside of the scope and budget for the project.
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@Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:
@stacksofplates Can you give me an example of a real camera?
Canon EOS or Nikon D3100, something not expensive but you can actually get good video with, esp with optical zoom.
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@stacksofplates said in analog video stream:
@DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:
@stacksofplates said in analog video stream:
I would stay away from IP cameras. Use a real camera with a real mic, or its going to sound like garbled mush. It shard enough to get good sounding sanctuaries let alone using a junk camera/ mic to record with.
Or just put the microphone on the stage and feed that in. An IP mic would work just as well.
On stage would be really hard to do because you can't get the full range of everything, and if you directly feed in the aux from the mixer you will pick up every pop and hum and off tone person.
Yup you need a sub-mix (digital boards can do this as a matrix, Send etc, analog would have to use an aux mix) but you need an audience mic or two to mix in with it... but they must be delayed based on placement from the speakers
