Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster
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@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Thanks a lot for the Help.
It is incredible you call Microsoft and they don't know the answer.
Of course the reseller want to sell me the SA licences.
MS has no reason to answer, it costs them money to give free advice when really it is between you and your lawyer. Remember, MS is a business and makes the most money from you not getting easy answers. You have to pay their partners to tell you how you can use MS' software and because MS makes no comment, they have no legal ties to the advice. So you are always on your own. MS has no business reason to ensure that you are not living in fear of an audit.
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@Dashrender I completely disagree with that statement. S a is a very good choice depending on things such as refresh cycle and all that good stuff. While staying on the most recent operating system is a great thing migrating a server is not a small business task. so by the time you account for all the costs involved essay most certainly is not worth it for somebody to choose a slightly longer refresh cycle on their servers.
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@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Thanks a lot for the Help.
It is incredible you call Microsoft and they don't know the answer.
Of course the reseller want to sell me the SA licences.
Personally, I think if you are buying MS solutions, you should buy SA. This ensures you can always use the latest and greatest version of that software, and two, you don't get management holding you back because you need to spend money on it.. it's already spent, and you just keep renewing it.
If they are so cheap as to not want to maintain these system correctly, then they should use other software that costs less or is free.
I don't think that it is quite that cut and dry, but in general I agree. If you are using any system, you need to be committed to keeping it up to date. SA is not always the best way to do that with MS, but generally.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Thanks a lot for the Help.
It is incredible you call Microsoft and they don't know the answer.
Of course the reseller want to sell me the SA licences.
MS has no reason to answer, it costs them money to give free advice when really it is between you and your lawyer. Remember, MS is a business and makes the most money from you not getting easy answers. You have to pay their partners to tell you how you can use MS' software and because MS makes no comment, they have no legal ties to the advice. So you are always on your own. MS has no business reason to ensure that you are not living in fear of an audit.
Last year a received a call from MS. They give me a MS contact to ask him any doubt I could have about upgrades, products and licences.
When I call this contact last week He told that he will give the answer next day, I'm still waiting..
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Yeah I know I over simplified it, but at least Scott got the point I was going after.
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@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Thanks a lot for the Help.
It is incredible you call Microsoft and they don't know the answer.
Of course the reseller want to sell me the SA licences.
MS has no reason to answer, it costs them money to give free advice when really it is between you and your lawyer. Remember, MS is a business and makes the most money from you not getting easy answers. You have to pay their partners to tell you how you can use MS' software and because MS makes no comment, they have no legal ties to the advice. So you are always on your own. MS has no business reason to ensure that you are not living in fear of an audit.
Last year a received a call from MS. They give me a MS contact to ask him any doubt I could have about upgrades, products and licences.
When I call this contact last week He told that he will give the answer next day, I'm still waiting..
Was that really MS that called? MS does not normally call you.
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@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
When I call this contact last week He told that he will give the answer next day, I'm still waiting..
Are you paying him for the advice? If not, he doesn't work for you, he's just a random salesman.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Thanks a lot for the Help.
It is incredible you call Microsoft and they don't know the answer.
Of course the reseller want to sell me the SA licences.
MS has no reason to answer, it costs them money to give free advice when really it is between you and your lawyer. Remember, MS is a business and makes the most money from you not getting easy answers. You have to pay their partners to tell you how you can use MS' software and because MS makes no comment, they have no legal ties to the advice. So you are always on your own. MS has no business reason to ensure that you are not living in fear of an audit.
Last year a received a call from MS. They give me a MS contact to ask him any doubt I could have about upgrades, products and licences.
When I call this contact last week He told that he will give the answer next day, I'm still waiting..
Was that really MS that called? MS does not normally call you.
Yes, his email is v-r.....@microsoft.com and his address correspond to the central office in Madrid.
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@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@iroal said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Thanks a lot for the Help.
It is incredible you call Microsoft and they don't know the answer.
Of course the reseller want to sell me the SA licences.
MS has no reason to answer, it costs them money to give free advice when really it is between you and your lawyer. Remember, MS is a business and makes the most money from you not getting easy answers. You have to pay their partners to tell you how you can use MS' software and because MS makes no comment, they have no legal ties to the advice. So you are always on your own. MS has no business reason to ensure that you are not living in fear of an audit.
Last year a received a call from MS. They give me a MS contact to ask him any doubt I could have about upgrades, products and licences.
When I call this contact last week He told that he will give the answer next day, I'm still waiting..
Was that really MS that called? MS does not normally call you.
Yes, his email is v-r.....@microsoft.com and his address correspond to the central office in Madrid.
Okay, if you were able to have a back and forth email conversation at an MS address, that's good verification.
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This is what I go by: (updated as of February 2017)
MS Volume Licensing
Edit: Found the link: http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/Downloader.aspx?DocumentId=11907(direct download to word doc)
Here's the page I got it from if English isn't your primary reading language: http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/DocumentSearch.aspx?Mode=3&DocumentTypeId=1&ShowArchived=true
And for all MS products: http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/Default.aspx
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@Tim_G said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
This is what I go by: (updated as of February 2017)
Hmm, can't seem to attach a file, only images. Let me see if I can find a link to it. I'll edit this when I do.
There is no file attach option. That's disabled.
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@Tim_G Updated.
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Pages 74-75 clearly state that Server SA has mobility.
Page 82 of that document clearly states what mobility is.There is no change from before.
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Page 82 also defines Disaster recovery rights.
To me, that reads, that I DO NOT need to be licensed on the hardware I am testing my backup on as long as it is within a week once ever 90 days.
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You just stated all of the old understandings. Nothing new.
Scott was implying above that there was a new thing with SA (or someone was) that SA alone now allowed you to move your server licenses between servers at will. But as you already pointed out, that's not the case, you can only move it once every 90 days.
Also, the above linked Word Document doesn't discuss 2016 at all, so it's possible there is a new document with new rules.
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@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Also, the above linked Word Document doesn't discuss 2016 at all, so it's possible there is a new document with new rules.
It is completely applicable to Server 2016.
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@Tim_G said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
Also, the above linked Word Document doesn't discuss 2016 at all, so it's possible there is a new document with new rules.
It is completely applicable to Server 2016.
Yeah, WTF @Dashrender that is all about 2016.
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@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
You just stated all of the old understandings. Nothing new.
Scott was implying above that there was a new thing with SA (or someone was) that SA alone now allowed you to move your server licenses between servers at will. But as you already pointed out, that's not the case, you can only move it once every 90 days.
Ummm WTF? You are wrong. SA has always given you mobility. No one has said anything else.
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@JaredBusch said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
You just stated all of the old understandings. Nothing new.
Scott was implying above that there was a new thing with SA (or someone was) that SA alone now allowed you to move your server licenses between servers at will. But as you already pointed out, that's not the case, you can only move it once every 90 days.
Ummm WTF? You are wrong. SA has always given you mobility. No one has said anything else.
yeah 90 day mobility, not daily or better.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Licences for cluster:
With Software Assurance license mobility, I believe that you can deploy two Windows 2016 Standard Packs, add on SA and then have the right to move the workloads between the two machines.
@JaredBusch this comment is what I'm talking about - If @scottalanmiller is talking about the fact that you can move workloads once every 90 days - OK, that's true, but reading his post, why would you think you'd be limited in this way? Why wouldn't you read that to mean that you can move it anytime you want.
