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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by DustinB3403

      This one abuse I was specifically effected by and never knew it, as in one day I couldn't use my app on my phone at the time any more.

      "VERIZON: In 2012, the FCC caught Verizon Wireless blocking people from using tethering applications on their phones. Verizon had asked Google to remove 11 free tethering applications from the Android marketplace. These applications allowed users to circumvent Verizon’s $20 tethering fee and turn their smartphones into Wi-Fi hot spots. By blocking those applications, Verizon violated a Net Neutrality pledge it made to the FCC as a condition of the 2008 airwaves auction."

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      • coliverC
        coliver @DustinB3403
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        @DustinB3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        This one abuse I was specifically effected by and never knew it, as in one day I couldn't use my app on my phone at the time any more.

        "VERIZON: In 2012, the FCC caught Verizon Wireless blocking people from using tethering applications on their phones. Verizon had asked Google to remove 11 free tethering applications from the Android marketplace. These applications allowed users to circumvent Verizon’s $20 tethering fee and turn their smartphones into Wi-Fi hot spots. By blocking those applications, Verizon violated a Net Neutrality pledge it made to the FCC as a condition of the 2008 airwaves auction."

        Yep I ran into that one as well.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
          last edited by

          Interesting article on the spin that the NCTA is trying to spin to remove net neutrality.

          https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/06/broadband-speeds-have-soared-under-net-neutrality-rules-cable-lobby-says/

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          • mlnewsM
            mlnews
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            Apparently Ajit Pai is substantially opposed to the concept of democracy, which uses the "count" of votes, not the content. He said that the count doesn't... count.

            https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/ajit-pai-not-concerned-about-number-of-pro-net-neutrality-comments/

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            • coliverC
              coliver
              last edited by

              https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-team-endorses-fcc-rollback-of-obama-era-net-neutrality-rules

              Still more insanity.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @coliver
                last edited by

                @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-team-endorses-fcc-rollback-of-obama-era-net-neutrality-rules

                Still more insanity.

                The top rated comment there is as accurate as it could be. . .

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-team-endorses-fcc-rollback-of-obama-era-net-neutrality-rules

                  Still more insanity.

                  The top rated comment there is as accurate as it could be. . .

                  hahaha you mean this?

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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                    @jaredbusch Yup lol.

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver
                      last edited by

                      We support the FCC chair's efforts to review and consider rolling back these rules and believe that the best way to get fair rules for everyone is for Congress to take action and create regulatory and economic certainty.

                      What does economic certainty mean? That they can now make money regardless of their business strategy? That public pressure won't affect them? This seems oddly like the federal government entering into a trust with the ISPs.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @coliver
                        last edited by

                        @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                        We support the FCC chair's efforts to review and consider rolling back these rules and believe that the best way to get fair rules for everyone is for Congress to take action and create regulatory and economic certainty.

                        What does economic certainty mean? That they can now make money regardless of their business strategy? That public pressure won't affect them? This seems oddly like the federal government entering into a trust with the ISPs.

                        They did that the moment that private ISPs owning the last mile access to customers was allowed.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          We support the FCC chair's efforts to review and consider rolling back these rules and believe that the best way to get fair rules for everyone is for Congress to take action and create regulatory and economic certainty.

                          What does economic certainty mean? That they can now make money regardless of their business strategy? That public pressure won't affect them? This seems oddly like the federal government entering into a trust with the ISPs.

                          They did that the moment that private ISPs owning the last mile access to customers was allowed.

                          I didn't used to agree with this, but today - oh yeah - THIS! The city should own this... it allows the possibility of choice, something we are completely lacking in today.

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                          • mlnewsM
                            mlnews
                            last edited by

                            https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/18/comcast_on_net_neutrality/

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                            • mlnewsM
                              mlnews
                              last edited by

                              At least the senate is starting to wonder what is going on...

                              https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/senator-challenges-ajit-pai-over-evidence-for-net-neutrality-repeal/

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                              • mlnewsM
                                mlnews
                                last edited by

                                https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/fcc-has-no-documentation-of-ddos-attack-that-hit-net-neutrality-comments/

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                                • mlnewsM
                                  mlnews
                                  last edited by

                                  https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/20/fcc_cant_prove_ddos_attack/

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    I'm really curious what these costs are to ISPs by having to comply with Title II?

                                    I'm curious how complying with Title II makes ISPs not want to invest in better/more infrastructure.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      I'm really curious what these costs are to ISPs by having to comply with Title II?

                                      I'm curious how complying with Title II makes ISPs not want to invest in better/more infrastructure.

                                      Because it forces them to serve people that are not profitable to serve.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                                        last edited by

                                        @jaredbusch said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        I'm really curious what these costs are to ISPs by having to comply with Title II?

                                        I'm curious how complying with Title II makes ISPs not want to invest in better/more infrastructure.

                                        Because it forces them to serve people that are not profitable to serve.

                                        That there is the issue. The business looks at an installation project and sees a pricetag of X, and then say it would require us to charge X per month to recoup this in X years.

                                        So they just don't want to. It's understandable, but also unreasonable, as improvements is what makes everything better.

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                                        • coliverC
                                          coliver @DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          @jaredbusch said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          I'm really curious what these costs are to ISPs by having to comply with Title II?

                                          I'm curious how complying with Title II makes ISPs not want to invest in better/more infrastructure.

                                          Because it forces them to serve people that are not profitable to serve.

                                          That there is the issue. The business looks at an installation project and sees a pricetag of X, and then say it would require us to charge X per month to recoup this in X years.

                                          So they just don't want to. It's understandable, but also unreasonable, as improvements is what makes everything better.

                                          Which would have some merit... if the governments, state and federal, weren't putting massive grants out there to improve infrastructure.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403 @coliver
                                            last edited by

                                            @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @jaredbusch said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            I'm really curious what these costs are to ISPs by having to comply with Title II?

                                            I'm curious how complying with Title II makes ISPs not want to invest in better/more infrastructure.

                                            Because it forces them to serve people that are not profitable to serve.

                                            That there is the issue. The business looks at an installation project and sees a pricetag of X, and then say it would require us to charge X per month to recoup this in X years.

                                            So they just don't want to. It's understandable, but also unreasonable, as improvements is what makes everything better.

                                            Which would have some merit... if the governments, state and federal, weren't putting massive grants out there to improve infrastructure.

                                            The issue though is businesses and residence over inflate the price of renovation improvements. So the grants while accurate, don't cover the costs.

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