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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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      @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.

      Go NY!

      It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.

      They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.

      Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.

      I just don't see that happening.

      Don't see what happening?

      The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.

      No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).

      I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.

      What would the statue for that be?

      The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.

        Go NY!

        It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.

        They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.

        Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.

        I just don't see that happening.

        Don't see what happening?

        The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.

        No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).

        I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.

        What would the statue for that be?

        The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.

        Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.

          Go NY!

          It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.

          They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.

          Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.

          I just don't see that happening.

          Don't see what happening?

          The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.

          No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).

          I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.

          What would the statue for that be?

          The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.

          Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.

          It might be just that, but they are required to respond to public comments after something like 100,000 people sign a complaint / letter etc.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.

            Go NY!

            It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.

            They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.

            Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.

            I just don't see that happening.

            Don't see what happening?

            The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.

            No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).

            I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.

            What would the statue for that be?

            The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.

            Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.

            It might be just that, but they are required to respond to public comments after something like 100,000 people sign a complaint / letter etc.

            But I'm assuming the response need be nothing more than - go pound sand.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.

              Go NY!

              It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.

              They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.

              Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.

              I just don't see that happening.

              Don't see what happening?

              The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.

              No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).

              I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.

              What would the statue for that be?

              The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.

              Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.

              It might be just that, but they are required to respond to public comments after something like 100,000 people sign a complaint / letter etc.

              But I'm assuming the response need be nothing more than - go pound sand.

              could be.. . lol

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              • bigbearB
                bigbear
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                All I know is that I Like my Whopper without politics.

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @bigbear
                  last edited by

                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  All I know is that I Like my Whopper without politics.

                  For those who haven't seen it yet.

                  Youtube Video

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    WOW - that's awesome!

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

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                      • bigbearB
                        bigbear @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                        WOW - that's awesome!

                        It is funny, and their does need to be a law.

                        I just don't believe all these big companies have such big hearts that they there isnt some other reach around going on for some other agenda.

                        Meanwhile, why did the two closest Burger Kings disappear on me in the last 12 months? Now I gotta drive all the way to Springboro to get Whopper. They were also the fastest Burger Kings.

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                        • bigbearB
                          bigbear @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                          Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @bigbear
                            last edited by

                            @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                            People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                            Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                            Because we've already given billions to the large ISPs, just to have them back out and keep the money. Of course, it's government, so nobody should be surprised by this.

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @bigbear
                              last edited by

                              @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                              Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                              There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.

                              There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.

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                              • bigbearB
                                bigbear @coliver
                                last edited by

                                @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.

                                There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.

                                We've never experienced anything like that (KY, OH, IN)

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                                • bigbearB
                                  bigbear @bigbear
                                  last edited by

                                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                  Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                  There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.

                                  There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.

                                  We've never experienced anything like that (KY, OH, IN)

                                  Else I would be in a different business still...

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver @bigbear
                                    last edited by

                                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                    Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                    There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.

                                    There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.

                                    We've never experienced anything like that (KY, OH, IN)

                                    Else I would be in a different business still...

                                    NYS is still offering this to rural ISPs. They can be part of a grant if they expand their coverage by a specific number of customers (I think... it may be based on milage) per year. The catch is that it had to meet the federal (FCC) definition of broadband. Which, until recently, could only be satisfied by wireless, fiber, or coax. So they couldn't put in any new DSL lines.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @bigbear
                                      last edited by

                                      @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                      Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                      I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.

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                                      • coliverC
                                        coliver @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                        Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                        I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.

                                        I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @coliver
                                          last edited by

                                          @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                          People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                          Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                          I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.

                                          I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.

                                          I'm not for that or power either.

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                                          • coliverC
                                            coliver @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.

                                            Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?

                                            I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.

                                            I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.

                                            I'm not for that or power either.

                                            Ah see that's where we differ. I would deem communication and power to be essential services.

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