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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ You're seeing me when I've already decided to leave as @scottalanmiller can confirm.
This advice stands no matter where you go. Learning how to market yourself is a skill you must master.
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I've worked for a few companies that were penny wise and pound foolish, but I always demanded training. It was one thing I would not budge on. Because it's not only good for me, but it's good for the company. I've worked in IT departments where I was the ONLY one to get training that year.
I have 15 certifications. Some are not of much use anymore, but I always have proof of my training and my resume sticks out. I've never had an issue landing a job within a week of I want it. I can't remember the last time I applied for a job and didn't get a call or email. Of course I'm picky in what I reach out on, but like you I've gotten as much as a $20k increase between positions. I've never taken less than $10k
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I'm probably the only one here who has paid each time I've been in a job search to get my resume done professionally. But I think for $10k-$20k a year, paying $150-200 for a resume is a no Brainer.
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
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@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
you know thats not what hes saying lol.
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@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
you know thats not what hes saying lol.
Not really but kinda. It's a give/take relationship. There has to be some kind of reward. At least for me
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
you know thats not what hes saying lol.
Not really but kinda. It's a give/take relationship. There has to be some kind of reward. At least for me
Your reasoning to the company is it's good for the company. Your reasoning for yourself is it improves you resume/knowledge.
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
It's true. There has to be a balance. Learning skills for your current job is key, but proof for your resume still matters.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
It's true. There has to be a balance. Learning skills for your current job is key, but proof for your resume still matters.
So you're endorsing certs if you yourself don't pay for them?
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
It's true. There has to be a balance. Learning skills for your current job is key, but proof for your resume still matters.
So you're endorsing certs if you yourself don't pay for them?
Wait a second. Two different things here.
Getting certs as a career path solely will not get you anywhere. Company paid training offers the perfect mix of experience and resume bling. Your certifications should compliment your job roles or compliment a skill that your employer is expecting to need either now or in the near future.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
It's true. There has to be a balance. Learning skills for your current job is key, but proof for your resume still matters.
So you're endorsing certs if you yourself don't pay for them?
I endorse certs, just when used for the right purpose.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
It's true. There has to be a balance. Learning skills for your current job is key, but proof for your resume still matters.
So you're endorsing certs if you yourself don't pay for them?
I endorse certs, just when used for the right purpose.
Here's a few reasons I can think of:
When you work with a particular competency daily or at least a good portion of time.
When you're implementing a new product and working on the design from the ground up.
When you're working on advancing in the company. Many companies offer professional development programs where you can put goals and HR will help you towards those goals. (I've had the same program in SMB.) It's optional and most people don't use it. It's actually really good. You can map out where you want to be. For example the receptionist can put CEO on hers. They will help you go that path. Your boss is able to see the plan and you can basically justify training because of it. It helps everyone out and everyone wins.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
Generally organizations are willing to train you in the necessary areas if your job requires it.
really? I consider myself lucky that this employer budgets $2500/yr for education for me. The consulting company provided training as well - but I really think that was more a requirement to maintain their gold whatever status with partners. The job before that - yeah no, you want training, go away!
I've rarely been at one that budgets so little. My last several jobs budgeted more like $10K - $20K, not including internal training.
Agreed, the budget barely pays for airfare and lodging in some places. Most training courses I've looked at have been in the $4000-$20,000 range.
At least it's enough to pay for SpiceWorld or MLCon.
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I'm all for education guys. I've definitely considered doing the Red Hat bootcamps and stuff in the past.
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@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@Dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@IRJ and btw I completely appreciated and still do appreciate your offer. I'm currently reading 2.5-3k pages worth of content but I do intend on reading it even if my boss doesn't honor his word.
But you have nothing to show for it on your resume. I flat out told companies I need proof of my training whether it's a cert or just a completion certificate for cpes
That seems like a very bizarre tactic. Telling your current employer that you need fodder for your resume for your next employer. Shutter
It's the opposite when you think about it. Sure they know it's also for your resume, but you're a professional that's advanced your whole career. You are going to magically stop learning and gaining training when you work for your new employer? Thats an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Also think about this way, when there's skin in the game. You actually give a shit. If you have the opportunity to get certified for free. You are going to study your ass off and learn the material far better than training with no testing at the end of it.
It's true. There has to be a balance. Learning skills for your current job is key, but proof for your resume still matters.
So you're endorsing certs if you yourself don't pay for them?
I endorse certs, just when used for the right purpose.
Here's a few reasons I can think of:
When you work with a particular competency daily or at least a good portion of time.
When you're implementing a new product and working on the design from the ground up.
When you're working on advancing in the company. Many companies offer professional development programs where you can put goals and HR will help you towards those goals. (I've had the same program in SMB.) It's optional and most people don't use it. It's actually really good. You can map out where you want to be. For example the receptionist can put CEO on hers. They will help you go that path. Your boss is able to see the plan and you can basically justify training because of it. It helps everyone out and everyone wins.
When using them to guide your educational processes.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
I'm all for education guys. I've definitely considered doing the Red Hat bootcamps and stuff in the past.
As an employer, those I find worthless. Bootcamps don't teach anything, they are often the worst value. That's to get someone certified, not to get them educated.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
I'm all for education guys. I've definitely considered doing the Red Hat bootcamps and stuff in the past.
As an employer, those I find worthless. Bootcamps don't teach anything, they are often the worst value. That's to get someone certified, not to get them educated.
What do you recommend?
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
I'm all for education guys. I've definitely considered doing the Red Hat bootcamps and stuff in the past.
As an employer, those I find worthless. Bootcamps don't teach anything, they are often the worst value. That's to get someone certified, not to get them educated.
What do you recommend?
Actually learning something
Bootcamps = "memorizing answers to get through a test as quickly as possible while learning as little as possible"
Do the exact opposite. Don't have a teacher if you can avoid it (I personally consider no cert that is tied to a class to be real, if it isn't about testing your knowledge, it's not legit IMHO) - get books, build a lab, learn the material and pass the test for the cert by knowing the material, not the answers. If your cert process wasn't for the purpose of learning, it's wasted.
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Updated a bit. Ignore formattting for now. I'm just focusing on information and then I will format it. I am having a little trouble explaining what I do at my current job because it's all over the place. Really, I'm doing desktop support but I also have to handle all of the appliances and servers as well, sporadically.
