Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!
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Situation:
Initial date of creation was March 2009.
3 hosts running Win Server 2008 w Hyper-V.1x Dell 2950:
Ram: 16gb
VMs: 5 - **Server 2008 x4, Win XP x1- *includes one Domain Controller
1x Dell 2950:
Ram: 16gb
VMs: 4 - Server 2008 x2, Server 2003 x1, Win XP x11x Dell 2900:**
Ram: 16gb
VMs: 3 - Server 2008 x2, Server 2003 x1
** This server is failing hard drives at an alarming rateProposed software solution:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
- Buy backup software (see #3 below)
Proposed hardware solution:
- Buy 2 new servers.
- Choose hypervisor: 2016 Hyper-V or Fedora KVM
- Choose backup solution
Thoughts, feedback, ideas...all suggestions are welcome?
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Situation:
Initial date of creation was March 2009.
3 hosts running Win Server 2008 w Hyper-V.Are you saying the three hosts have Server 2008 on the bare metal with the Hyper-V role enabled? If so, then st the very least, your solution should have just the hypervisor (whether it’s KVM or Hyper-V) on the bare metal.
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@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Are you saying the three hosts have Server 2008 on the bare metal with the Hyper-V role enabled?
Yes.
If so, then st the very least, your solution should have just the hypervisor (whether it’s KVM or Hyper-V) on the bare metal.
See #2 of Proposed hardware solution.
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Ok. Next, do you have SA for your server licenses? Or perhaps the better question, what services are each of your VMs offering? Is there still a need for you to be hosting those VMs? For example, if you’re hosting Exchange, why not consider Exchange Online?
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@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Ok. Next, do you have SA for your server licenses? Or perhaps the better question, what services are each of your VMs offering? Is there still a need for you to be hosting those VMs? For example, if you’re hosting Exchange, why not consider Exchange Online?
SA! Are you kidding, these are Server 2008 vm's.
These vm's are LoB vm's, printserver etc. Nothing like Exchange that can be hosted. -
Why replace with 2 servers? I'm guessing you could easily get this entire load on a single server.
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- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
SA! Are you kidding, these are Server 2008 vm's.
These vm's are LoB vm's, printserver etc. Nothing like Exchange that can be hosted.Nope, I’m not kidding. There are places that keep SA current for the purpose of one day upgrading their OSes (and subsequently never do because of [insert nonsense here] )—not that that’s the best use of SA. Since I know nothing about your situation, I ask these questions.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why replace with 2 servers? I'm guessing you could easily get this entire load on a single server.
Correct. The second server will be a backup server.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
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@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
The available budget can only go so far.The one writing the check needs to understand how much of this stuff is beyond end of life and invest in more than just upgrading the DC.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
roposed software solution:
Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Buy backup software (see #3 below)Proposed hardware solution:
Buy 2 new servers.
Choose hypervisor: 2016 Hyper-V or Fedora KVM
Choose backup solutionThoughts, feedback, ideas...all suggestions are welcome?
Why not just a single modern server? Something like a Dell R730xd would do it all so easily. They really aren't much more than another modern server. The expensive part depends on the hard drive / ssd setup. Still cheaper than two servers.
Edit: Depending on budget, a R630 may be better. Mostly due to smaller extra costs adding up. The R730 warranty is a little more, for example. But some Rx30 would be good.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
The available budget can only go so far.Sounds like the one writing the checks needs to have it pointed out that if they can't afford to keep current, they can't afford the platform or the software that uses it.
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why not just a single modern server? Something like a Dell R730xd would do it all so easily. They really aren't much more than another modern server. The expensive part depends on the hard drive / ssd setup. Still cheaper than two servers.
Edit: Depending on budget, a R630 may be better. Mostly due to smaller extra costs adding up. The R730 warranty is a little more, for example. But some Rx30 would be good.
That is the plan. The second server is a backup server.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why not just a single modern server? Something like a Dell R730xd would do it all so easily. They really aren't much more than another modern server. The expensive part depends on the hard drive / ssd setup. Still cheaper than two servers.
Edit: Depending on budget, a R630 may be better. Mostly due to smaller extra costs adding up. The R730 warranty is a little more, for example. But some Rx30 would be good.
That is the plan. The second server is a backup server.
Gotcha, I responded before reading comments.
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It looks like the software costs for Windows Server(s) and CALs will probably be more than the hardware.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why replace with 2 servers? I'm guessing you could easily get this entire load on a single server.
Correct. The second server will be a backup server.
huh, that's a lot of money. Is it warranted? I like the idea, but it's not about likes, it's about business cases. For example, do you have redundancies in your current VMs?
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
It looks like the software costs for Windows Server(s) and CALs will probably be more than the hardware.
Nope, that's the reason why I'm getting just a single Server 2016 Std lic for the DC upgrade. The rest of the vm's stay at their current o/s.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
It looks like the software costs for Windows Server(s) and CALs will probably be more than the hardware.
Nope, that's the reason why I'm getting just a single Server 2016 Std lic for the DC upgrade. The rest of the vm's stay at their current o/s.
How many CALs are you going to need, roughly?
