KVM Backing and Support
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
My biggest concerns w/ agent based are:
- A nas IS cheap don't bore too much about space. Just backup.
- is there a cheap solution with centraluzed management of backups? Cross platform?
Any hints?!
- The storage component is not related to agent vs. agentless. I'm not sure what you are asking here. You need a place to store the backups identically between different backup approaches.
Its about the price and perf for a full bloated vm backup vs small data backup
- Agent based is the norm, agentless is the niche. There are 10-100 options of agent based for every agentless one. And the big players, like Veeam, Unitrends, etc offer both. It's "how you deploy the product", not what product you choose in many cases. And yes, there are free options.
Yes I'm aware of pay options but they are expensive. What I miss is a cheap centrslized backup solution w/ agents. Just to say Veeam is expensive here.
- What does cross platform mean in this context?
I mean I can install the same agent both on win and linux
- Why do you worry about these things with agent based and not with agentless, even though they are equal and both affected by them just the same?
Because I install altaro have a single admin interface an can backup delta vm in a few minutes.
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@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
My biggest concerns w/ agent based are:
- A nas IS cheap don't bore too much about space. Just backup.
- is there a cheap solution with centraluzed management of backups? Cross platform?
Any hints?!
- The storage component is not related to agent vs. agentless. I'm not sure what you are asking here. You need a place to store the backups identically between different backup approaches.
Its about the price and perf for a full bloated vm backup vs small data backup
Agent backups are generally associated with small, efficient backups of only what is needed, and agentless with backing up everything willy nilly. But that's a false association. Agentless can pick and choose, agent based can go for broke. In both cases, it's an identical amount of data, it all comes down to configuration choices.
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@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
- Why do you worry about these things with agent based and not with agentless, even though they are equal and both affected by them just the same?
Because I install altaro have a single admin interface an can backup delta vm in a few minutes.
Sure, but Veeam agentless will do that, too. There are good options in both directions.
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
- Why do you worry about these things with agent based and not with agentless, even though they are equal and both affected by them just the same?
Because I install altaro have a single admin interface an can backup delta vm in a few minutes.
Sure, but Veeam agentless will do that, too. There are good options in both directions.
Sure. My point was: I'm not aware of a win/linux solution agent based with central management which costs less then agentless. Therefore when I deployed kvm it was with some mix and match stuff got from github and glued into some.bash script. Ok for me but not really nice to offload to others. My ignorance about Good non diy backup solutions is the only reason I do not deploy kvm again.
Grr... Damn phone. Lot of typos...
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@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
- Why do you worry about these things with agent based and not with agentless, even though they are equal and both affected by them just the same?
Because I install altaro have a single admin interface an can backup delta vm in a few minutes.
Sure, but Veeam agentless will do that, too. There are good options in both directions.
Sure. My point was: I'm not aware of a win/linux solution agent based with central management which costs less then agentless. Therefore when I deployed kvm it was with some mix and match stuff got from github and glued into some.bash script. Ok for me but not really nice to offload to others. My ignorance about Good non diy backup solutions are the only reason I do not deply kvm again.
I see. UrBackup is free, for example. Veeam Agent based is similar in price to their agentless.
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@dustinb3403 said in KVM Backing and Support:
My biggest questions with KVM still revolve around backup solutions for it.
Don't expect a solution from Veeam until KVM (RHEL/CentOS/Fedora etc) has CBT in the o/s.
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@fateknollogee said in KVM Backing and Support:
@dustinb3403 said in KVM Backing and Support:
My biggest questions with KVM still revolve around backup solutions for it.
Don't expect a solution from Veeam until KVM (RHEL/CentOS/Fedora etc) has CBT in the o/s.
But it does.
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@fateknollogee said in KVM Backing and Support:
@dustinb3403 said in KVM Backing and Support:
My biggest questions with KVM still revolve around backup solutions for it.
Don't expect a solution from Veeam until KVM (RHEL/CentOS/Fedora etc) has CBT in the o/s.
But it does.
Is it available from the kernel?
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@fateknollogee said in KVM Backing and Support:
@dustinb3403 said in KVM Backing and Support:
My biggest questions with KVM still revolve around backup solutions for it.
Don't expect a solution from Veeam until KVM (RHEL/CentOS/Fedora etc) has CBT in the o/s.
But it does.
Where?
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I’m curious if BTRFS and ZFS can do CBT?
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Anyone see this yet?
https://github.com/datto/dattobd -
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
- Why do you worry about these things with agent based and not with agentless, even though they are equal and both affected by them just the same?
Because I install altaro have a single admin interface an can backup delta vm in a few minutes.
Sure, but Veeam agentless will do that, too. There are good options in both directions.
Sure. My point was: I'm not aware of a win/linux solution agent based with central management which costs less then agentless. Therefore when I deployed kvm it was with some mix and match stuff got from github and glued into some.bash script. Ok for me but not really nice to offload to others. My ignorance about Good non diy backup solutions is the only reason I do not deploy kvm again.
Grr... Damn phone. Lot of typos...
I’m in the same boat. I’m investigating Bacula, IBM Spectrum, and Commvault… but it seems that Veeam still has an edge.
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@francesco-provino said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Backing and Support:
@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
- Why do you worry about these things with agent based and not with agentless, even though they are equal and both affected by them just the same?
Because I install altaro have a single admin interface an can backup delta vm in a few minutes.
Sure, but Veeam agentless will do that, too. There are good options in both directions.
Sure. My point was: I'm not aware of a win/linux solution agent based with central management which costs less then agentless. Therefore when I deployed kvm it was with some mix and match stuff got from github and glued into some.bash script. Ok for me but not really nice to offload to others. My ignorance about Good non diy backup solutions is the only reason I do not deploy kvm again.
Grr... Damn phone. Lot of typos...
I’m in the same boat. I’m investigating Bacula, IBM Spectrum, and Commvault… but it seems that Veeam still has an edge.
Yeah sadly Borg isn't cross platform but it's decent for a central Linux backup repo.
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@black3dynamite said in KVM Backing and Support:
I’m curious if BTRFS and ZFS can do CBT?
They do for snapshotting. ZFS is reference on write. I think btrfs is the same. Then you need to compress and export snapshots.
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@matteo-nunziati said in KVM Backing and Support:
@black3dynamite said in KVM Backing and Support:
I’m curious if BTRFS and ZFS can do CBT?
They do for snapshotting. ZFS is reference on write. I think btrfs is the same. Then you need to compress and export snapshots.
Yeah I think that's what this addresses...
@obsolesce said in KVM Backing and Support:
Anyone see this yet?
https://github.com/datto/dattobdI really want to test it out but haven't had a chance to yet.
