KVM Desktop Setup Ideas
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Which results in a multitude of other questions like: Why would he be using cockpit to manage his daily driver Type 1 KVM hypervisor to manage the VMs on it when he could use any of the graphical tools that are built in. Like Boxes.
That's a totally different conversation. Now you are talking about the responses we gave to his question. Rather than the discussion at hand which is why you claimed his decision wasn't valid.
I've not claimed his decision wasn't valid. I've said and implied your reasoning for supporting his decision is biased. And without anyone asking the question(s) "Why do you want to use Linux and KVM" and "Do you know how to use these tools at all?" "Are you wanting to learn how to use these tools?" Among other questions weren't asked.
By not asking these questions how can you really gauge what is an appropriate option for this specific case?
No, you said that no one wants what he wants.
What?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
This is the statement that we are all addressing.
Yes, because it isn't a normal expectation to take
We've covered that. It is. SO normal.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
This is the statement that we are all addressing.
Yes, because it isn't a normal expectation to take
We've covered that. It is. SO normal.
It is not normal.
Do you have a Daily driver Type 1 hypervisor that is sitting in a co-lo?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
This is the statement that we are all addressing.
Yes, because it isn't a normal expectation to take
We've covered that. It is. SO normal.
It is not normal.
Do you have a Daily driver Type 1 hypervisor that is sitting in a co-lo?
Daily Drivers go on your desk by definition, not in a colo. You ask the weirdest questions that you already know the answer to and know that no matter what the answer is, has nothing to do with the discussion.
Obviously, it is normal. SO normal. Everyone here does it. Everyone everywhere pretty much does it.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
This is the statement that we are all addressing.
Yes, because it isn't a normal expectation to take
We've covered that. It is. SO normal.
It is not normal.
Do you have a Daily driver Type 1 hypervisor that is sitting in a co-lo?
Wait what? Who uses a Daily driver in a colo? That makes 0 sense. A local desktop with Hyper-V on it is my daily driver.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
This is the statement that we are all addressing.
Yes, because it isn't a normal expectation to take
We've covered that. It is. SO normal.
It is not normal.
Do you have a Daily driver Type 1 hypervisor that is sitting in a co-lo?
My daily driver is a laptop running a type 1 hypervisor (KVM) on Fedora Workstation (Cinnamon), to host a Win10 VM. Totally normal. And no, I would not send my laptop to a co-lo. That's just a dumb question.
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@Obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
This is the statement that we are all addressing.
Yes, because it isn't a normal expectation to take
We've covered that. It is. SO normal.
It is not normal.
Do you have a Daily driver Type 1 hypervisor that is sitting in a co-lo?
My daily driver is a laptop running a type 1 hypervisor (KVM), to host a Win10 VM. Totally normal. And no, I would not send my laptop to a co-lo. That's just a dumb question.
Having to drive into a colo every time you wanted to check your mail or read a web page would be so weird.
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What part of any of @hobbit666's post indicate that this must be a daily driver that is sitting on or under his desk?
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What combo is best to "get started" with KVM?
It's just for a standalone machine to host 5-6 VM's.
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
Yeah i'll only ever be running 6 VM's at the most, also the "host" is a desktop machine that only has 16GB RAM at the moment. Hopefully upgrading to 32GB when i find a machine that can donate some RAM
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Literally all of you jumped to a conclusion that "desktop" meant "sitting on my desk and being used as a desktop" because KVM.
Rather than treating this as a production workload and remotely managing it.
Hence the questions mentioned above need to be considered and asked.
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Fedora 29 with KVM is a great, standard way to do a Linux desktop and have local VMs. It's especially good if you are labbing desktops, rather than servers. You get more performance of the graphics (from lower latency) to the local desktop. This is super common for gaming, development, and desktop support tasks primarily.
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That was probably the biggest fork that I have ever done.
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@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
What part of any of @hobbit666's post indicate that this must be a daily driver that is sitting on or under his desk?
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What combo is best to "get started" with KVM?
It's just for a standalone machine to host 5-6 VM's.
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
Yeah i'll only ever be running 6 VM's at the most, also the "host" is a desktop machine that only has 16GB RAM at the moment. Hopefully upgrading to 32GB when i find a machine that can donate some RAMNo matter the case, whether it's for a Desktop workstation or a Desktop remote-access-only "server", he mentioned Linux and KVM. So it didn't even matter to begin with.
Meaning type 2 and all that other crap should have never been mentioned.
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@Obsolesce said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
Meaning type 2 and all that other crap should have never been mentioned.
It has to be mentioned because, if we are using the same assumptions that were made, that this would be a daily driver. He may have things that need to be moved, or other complications.
Assuming that KVM and Linux is the only consideration to talk about then he is literally still flush with options and things that need to be considered and should, even if just momentarily, discussed.
KVM and Linux on an old desktop - okay are you wiping out and reloading or are you installing KVM on an existing desktop? Are you wanting to operate this Hypervisor like it was a production system remotely or are you wanting to continue and use it as a daily driver as well?
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@WrCombs said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
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What, Not tags on this one?tags can't come during a fork, they have to be added manually afterwards.
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@WrCombs said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
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What, Not tags on this one?tags can't come during a fork, they have to be added manually afterwards.
fair enough,
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Tags added.
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Virtual box is terrible. I really don't know anyone who I would take seriously that uses it. If you want something that has great GUI and more than the basics available via GUI. Use VMware workstation. Yeah you have to buy it, but virtual box is so lame, slow, and has issues.
Virt manager has the same options as virtual box, so when is there ever a reason to use virtual box?
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@hobbit666 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
Yeah i'll only ever be running 6 VM's at the most, also the "host" is a desktop machine that only has 16GB RAM at the moment. Hopefully upgrading to 32GB when i find a machine that can donate some RAM
This part here is also a part of the confusion and why, we as professionals need to remove ambiguity from our conversations.
As written this should be taken to mean "Using desktop class hardware". Nothing else is implied and it certainly isn't implied that this system would continue to be used as a "daily driver".
It is because the assumption was made that this system would continue to be used as a daily driver that considerations of installing this system remotely, and managing it remotely were not considered and elevated the conversation to force a discussion about the intended use of the hardware.
Besides running the 5-6 VMs that were already mentioned.
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@IRJ said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
Virtual box is terrible. I really don't know anyone who I would take seriously that uses it. If you want something that has great GUI and more than the basics available via GUI. Use VMware workstation. Yeah you have to buy it, but virtual box is so lame, slow, and has issues.
Virt manager has the same options as virtual box, so when is there ever a reason to use virtual box?
No one has implied that the quality of any Type 2 hypervisor is worthwhile. We're still attempting (I think) to discuss how this hardware is intended to be used.
