VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only
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@Dashrender said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@manxam said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller : It's also in a town of 3300 people and 3 hours away from a major city so I'd assume cost-of-living will be relatively low.
Gotcha. The real issue then is just the use of the term VP. The money and position and location all seem okay. But being a VP anywhere at that kind of salary is... misleading.
What are they supposed to do for a fancy title when all the C-level titles are already taken? :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
I believe you're being funny.. but why is there a need to us VP at all - just call them a director or manager. Though in some places director is higher than VP.
Director is normally either a VP themselves or senior to them. VP is a different type of title than Director. Director, like manager, or C, denotes a level in an operational stack. VP denotes a level in the executive chain.
In a company this small, VP, Director, are both ridiculous. Even manager is likely bad, are they managing people rather than tech?
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@PhlipElder said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
IMNSHO, it's an attempt to appear a lot bigger than they are.
Big companies don't use those kinds of titles in that way. Only tiny ones. I makes me think that it's a one man show. E.g. using titles like this make companies look really small.
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Now to be fair, it says VP of Ops and Tech. This implies that the senior ops and IT positions report to this VP. Ops is "the business", like the whole thing. Departments like HR, finance, legal, etc. are not ops. But everything that a company "does" is under ops. So we might be misreading this. IT is likely a tiny side piece to this. The title implies that essentially everyone would report to this person.
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Assuming a company of 100 employees, a VP of Ops would be expected to have generally 50-80 of those employees. IT would have like, you know, one. So it is lost in the noise.
Looking at this as an IT position makes it look ridiculously small. But looking at it as the overseer of both Ops and IT as the title says, it makes way more sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
Assuming a company of 100 employees, a VP of Ops would be expected to have generally 50-80 of those employees. IT would have like, you know, one. So it is lost in the noise.
Looking at this as an IT position makes it look ridiculously small. But looking at it as the overseer of both Ops and IT as the title says, it makes way more sense.
It's an ISP, so hopefully they have more than 1 IT person.
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@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
Assuming a company of 100 employees, a VP of Ops would be expected to have generally 50-80 of those employees. IT would have like, you know, one. So it is lost in the noise.
Looking at this as an IT position makes it look ridiculously small. But looking at it as the overseer of both Ops and IT as the title says, it makes way more sense.
It's an ISP, so hopefully they have more than 1 IT person.
Many don't. Small regional ISPs often have only one or even zero. We do consulting for several ISPs, some have their own IT and some do not. And we work with others that we know had zero people of an L2 level, but did have call center level people (the kind you'd outsource if you knew how.) Getting real IT support inside a small ISP is actually, I think, relatively rare.
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@manxam said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller : It's also in a town of 3300 people and 3 hours away from a major city so I'd assume cost-of-living will be relatively low.
I'd assume the opposite. Cost of every day things will probably be more. At least that's how it tended to work in the US when I was driving truck. Having to ship everything that far is going to cost.
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@travisdh1 said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@manxam said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller : It's also in a town of 3300 people and 3 hours away from a major city so I'd assume cost-of-living will be relatively low.
I'd assume the opposite. Cost of every day things will probably be more. At least that's how it tended to work in the US when I was driving truck. Having to ship everything that far is going to cost.
That's not really the case outside of Puerto Rico. Remember that most stuff comes from Walmart or Amazon and their prices are flat by region. Fuel doesn't really vary between city and country like that, either. But local produce is way cheaper, as is housing, and local labour costs. So if I am buying socks, or a stereo, or gas, or lunch I'm going to be equal. But if paying for my housing or plumbing services, it'll be cheaper.
Some cities, like NYC, get a few rare things dirt cheap that you'd never expect. But on average, they cost a little more. Not as much more as people often think, but more.
One obvious exception tends to be ISP services. Rural ISPs tend to be double or more the cost of metro ones.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@travisdh1 said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@manxam said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller : It's also in a town of 3300 people and 3 hours away from a major city so I'd assume cost-of-living will be relatively low.
I'd assume the opposite. Cost of every day things will probably be more. At least that's how it tended to work in the US when I was driving truck. Having to ship everything that far is going to cost.
That's not really the case outside of Puerto Rico. Remember that most stuff comes from Walmart or Amazon and their prices are flat by region. Fuel doesn't really vary between city and country like that, either. But local produce is way cheaper, as is housing, and local labour costs. So if I am buying socks, or a stereo, or gas, or lunch I'm going to be equal. But if paying for my housing or plumbing services, it'll be cheaper.
Some cities, like NYC, get a few rare things dirt cheap that you'd never expect. But on average, they cost a little more. Not as much more as people often think, but more.
One obvious exception tends to be ISP services. Rural ISPs tend to be double or more the cost of metro ones.
Gas and groceries are more expensive. Local produce is only available a couple months, and isn't cheaper than imported. Oil company presence inflates the price of many services.
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
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@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
I haven't touched a car in 7 months lol.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
We don't live in the towns where we work.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
No public transport. Shitty / sketchy taxi service. Winter
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@Obsolesce said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
I haven't touched a car in 7 months lol.
I can make due without one here in the suburbs. Only have one now, but when this one is too old, I'm going to attempt going carless.
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@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
We don't live in the towns where we work.
I get that, but that would only make me require one, not two.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
We don't live in the towns where we work.
I get that, but that would only make me require one, not two.
One for self, one for SO?
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@notverypunny said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
We don't live in the towns where we work.
I get that, but that would only make me require one, not two.
One for self, one for SO?
Oh okay, talking about other family members.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
While it would be likely possible to do a single vehicle between my wife and I - it would DRASTICALLY cramp our lifestyles waiting on the other to be done with work, etc.
And there are simply days/times when that simple wouldn't work. Both of our jobs require us to travel between different campus, sometimes without notice.
Oh, and we live in a city - but the idea of going to zero is unthinkable! sure we could uber everywhere, but the delay in getting a vehicle out to my house would be a huge PITA and time waster. Sure I could schedule one for the daily commute to work and back.. but lunches are nearly random for me (And I almost always go out for lunch - need the break away from this place), then the need to drive to another location on a moments notice - again waiting on an uber would be - extremely - frowned upon by my office, to say the least.
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@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@notverypunny said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@scottalanmiller said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
@flaxking said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
What makes the biggest difference to our bottom line is having to have two vehicles. In the city we just had one.
Why two? Here it's one outside the cities and zero inside, normally. What's the second one for?
We don't live in the towns where we work.
I get that, but that would only make me require one, not two.
One for self, one for SO?
Oh okay, talking about other family members.
Why would you assume he was talking about 2 cars for himself? Sure there are people who have two vehicles for a single person - say a car and a truck, or a car and a motorcycle, or a car and a sport(y) car that they only drive for fun, etc... But almost no one talks about those things in context like this.
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@Dashrender said in VP of Operations and Technology - Canada only:
While it would be likely possible to do a single vehicle between my wife and I - it would DRASTICALLY cramp our lifestyles waiting on the other to be done with work, etc.
I'm convinced that with the way that we work and where we live (Dallas), that with Uber, Lyft, Uber Eats, car rentals, etc. that we could drop to zero cars and be around break even now on cost and effort. Would take a bit to adjust to how to do things, but pretty doable I think.
