All in one backup appliances
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With all of the crypto / ransomware garbage happening now our team has been asked to look at overhauling the company's backup posture and methods. Boss-man says that community / FOSS / opensource is off the table from a CYA perspective in the event that it were ever to go sideways (the old "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" mentality, but I can't really argue with it).
We're currently using a mix of ArcServe's software products; their 9000 series of appliances looks interesting. Does anyone on here have any experience with these units? I've been trying to find a competitor / comparable product and from what I see it would take multiple unitrends boxes for comparable capacity, and that's if you can get your hands on the HW as CDW has them (as well as Barracuda's enterprise level gear) as recently discontinued.
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@notverypunny said in All in one backup appliances:
FOSS / opensource is off the table
So Red Hat Enterprise linux isn't an option, even though it comes fully supported. Interesting. Nothing like spending money to have a scapegoat.
But CEO, we spent all of your money on this backup appliance, yell at them not us!
As if that ever worked. . .
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Even a paid for solution, can be susceptible to attack/ransom if you don't properly separate the systems. So if you're purchasing something or using something community drive or FOSS it can all be attacked.
It's a matter of ensuring that you setup your environment appropriately.
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@notverypunny said in All in one backup appliances:
Boss-man says that community / FOSS / opensource is off the table from a CYA perspective in the event that it were ever to go sideways (the old "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" mentality, but I can't really argue with it).
Why can't you argue with it? Pretty much every commercial solution relies on open source. I'm not sure who you can use if that's not allowed. I'm sure several use none, but heaven only knows who they are.
BTW: IBM is the largest open source vendor. So that logic is backwards.
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@DustinB3403 said in All in one backup appliances:
So Red Hat Enterprise linux isn't an option, even though it comes fully supported. Interesting. Nothing like spending money to have a scapegoat.
I don't know any option as "all" appliances are open source. Unitrends, Datto, etc. are all built on open source. The appliance market uses open source essentially across the board to have the kind of control necessary to build reliable appliances.
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@notverypunny said in All in one backup appliances:
I've been trying to find a competitor / comparable product and from what I see it would take multiple unitrends boxes for comparable capacity,
Open source, so not an option anyway.
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@notverypunny said in All in one backup appliances:
Boss-man says
If he's ruling out essentially all options, did he "rule in" any? He's not giving you much to work with.
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@notverypunny are you trying to build a solution that lives on premise? Are you considering skipping the 3-2-1 rule entirely?
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@restoronix can do this because they can do Veeam on Windows. Obviously Windows has open source, but the core platform is closed for now. And Veeam is closed or nearly all closed. Closed thing that I can think of.
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If you really wanted to go down the expensive, close sourced option, why not just setup a really large Microsoft Windows 2019 Server and use VSS. . .
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OK, maybe I mis-spoke. Nothing community / unsupported.
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@notverypunny said in All in one backup appliances:
OK, maybe I mis-spoke. Nothing community / unsupported.
So Microsoft is off the table
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So your boss is looking for a throat to choke if things go sideways. Or is he looking for a provider who simply has support channels?
What about something like Zmanda?
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@DustinB3403 said in All in one backup appliances:
@notverypunny are you trying to build a solution that lives on premise? Are you considering skipping the 3-2-1 rule entirely?
Possible setup would be an appliance here at the main site connected to an LTO-8 tape setup with sync to the cloud and maybe another sync with our Toronto office.
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@DustinB3403 said in All in one backup appliances:
So your boss is looking for a throat to choke if things go sideways. Or is he looking for a provider who simply has support channels?
Yes to both... wants to be able to throw someone under the bus as opposed to having his head cut off.
What about something like Zmanda?
Interesting, I'll have to dig into it. I'd looked at their community stuff before hadn't spent much time on the supported / enterprise-level options.
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@notverypunny so 500TB on premise, connected to Tape that someone carries home, to cloud as well and then to a remote office?
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@DustinB3403 said in All in one backup appliances:
@notverypunny so 500TB on premise, connected to Tape that someone carries home, to cloud as well and then to a remote office?
Not 500 TB and the tapes would live in a fire-safe on-site but otherwise that's one of the rough outlines that we're looking at.
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What is your daily delta? 1GB - 1TB? I think you're going to encounter major bottlenecks with trying to move all of this.
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Don't know if we'd be syncing off-site and cloud daily. We're already syncing to TO and it's taking about 4 to 6 hrs daily IIRC. Just checked with our backup lead and daily delta typically runs anywhere from 200GB to 500GB.
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@notverypunny said in All in one backup appliances:
Don't know if we'd be syncing off-site and cloud daily. We're already syncing to TO and it's taking about 4 to 6 hrs daily IIRC. Just checked with our backup lead and daily delta typically runs anywhere from 200GB to 500GB.
So you probably aren't going to be syncing this daily, unless you have really good internet. Do you?
