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      Carnival Boy @Obsolesce
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      Humans work better in teams and teams work better face to face rather than remote. I'm pretty sure this is a fact.

      I agree with Google. Do people need to be in the office every day? Of course not. Is it better if they live within commuting distance of the office and go in regularly? I'm sure it is.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
        last edited by

        yeah, the whole social aspect is the question.

        I think if the work day cut down to say 5-6 hours instead of 8, where you're jobbed-out focused on work because there are few to no distractions when you're at home (yeah right) compared to the drop into your cube conversations, or water cooler talk, etc... and giving those BS hours back to people might be the difference.

        but who the hell knows?

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @Carnival Boy
          last edited by

          @carnival-boy said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

          I'm sure it is.

          Maybe you are sure, but experts and a study with data from over 3.1 million workers are sure sure you're wrong.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/04/remote-work-longer-days

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            flaxking
            last edited by

            At my new job we estimate 5/8 hours in a day for spending on your actual work.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @Obsolesce
              last edited by

              @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

              @carnival-boy said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

              I'm sure it is.

              Maybe you are sure, but experts and a study with data from over 3.1 million workers are sure sure you're wrong.

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/04/remote-work-longer-days

              The linked article does not say jack shit about what he was talking about

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              • IRJI
                IRJ
                last edited by

                Update in 2022... The job market is still as hot as it was last year, and it's still your fault for being with a shitty employer.

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce @IRJ
                  last edited by

                  @irj said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                  Update in 2022... The job market is still as hot as it was last year, and it's still your fault for being with a shitty employer.

                  I see more fully remote jobs available now than ever.

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                    flaxking
                    last edited by flaxking

                    I got a 20% raise and I'm pretty sure I could get a lot more in this job market.

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                    • pmonchoP
                      pmoncho @Dashrender
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                      @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                      yeah, the whole social aspect is the question.

                      I think if the work day cut down to say 5-6 hours instead of 8, where you're jobbed-out focused on work because there are few to no distractions when you're at home (yeah right) compared to the drop into your cube conversations, or water cooler talk, etc... and giving those BS hours back to people might be the difference.

                      but who the hell knows?

                      Found this post today from 9/21

                      https://www.atlassian.com/blog/teamwork/4-day-workweek-productivity-wellbeing-results

                      Your idea is not that far fetched. It looks like it can have some good results also.

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                      • dave247D
                        dave247
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                        Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @dave247
                          last edited by

                          @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                          Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                          Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

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                            dave247 @JaredBusch
                            last edited by dave247

                            @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                            @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                            Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                            Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                            I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                            I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

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                            • IRJI
                              IRJ @dave247
                              last edited by

                              @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                              Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                              LinkedIn and they mostly come to me via inbox on Linkedin. Even so, LinkedIn is mostly crap like most job sites, but I find that most top tech companies use it for recruitment.

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                              • ObsolesceO
                                Obsolesce @dave247
                                last edited by Obsolesce

                                @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                                I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                                I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

                                The last several good jobs I was either offered or have started were directly from LinkedIn, and some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @Obsolesce
                                  last edited by

                                  @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                  @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                  @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                  @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                  Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                  Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                                  I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                                  I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

                                  The last several good jobs I was either offered or have started were directly from LinkedIn, and some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

                                  How much of that salary is cause of location?

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                    @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                    @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                    @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                    @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                    Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                    Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                                    I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                                    I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

                                    The last several good jobs I was either offered or have started were directly from LinkedIn, and some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

                                    How much of that salary is cause of location?

                                    It depends on scale. You won't see that outside the US, not even close. With-in the US, fully remote, and depending on the company, an extremely small percentage if any.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                      @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                      @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                      @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                      @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                      @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                      Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                      Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                                      I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                                      I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

                                      The last several good jobs I was either offered or have started were directly from LinkedIn, and some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

                                      How much of that salary is cause of location?

                                      It depends on scale. You won't see that outside the US, not even close. With-in the US, fully remote, and depending on the company, an extremely small percentage if any.

                                      The need to pay that amount to someone living in the midwest who is fully remote is completely different compared to someone who lives in LA/SF/NYC and working fully remote.

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                                      • gjacobseG
                                        gjacobse @Obsolesce
                                        last edited by

                                        @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                        nd some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

                                        This - has not been a problem I have had to worry with. And I'm okay with that. I got into computer and such in the late 1980s... first job being 1990 with the State using a Green Terminal to the mainframe - it had four sessions - Those were the days..

                                        After thirty years, forgetting more that some of my current co-workers have ever learned, I've never gotten out of being an IT Generalist.. I enjoy being apart of all aspects of the company network... keeps me from being too bored with one subject. That is also a problem with how much things have advanced...

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                                        • IRJI
                                          IRJ @Dashrender
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                                          @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                          @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                          @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                          @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                          @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                          Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                          Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                                          I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                                          I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

                                          The last several good jobs I was either offered or have started were directly from LinkedIn, and some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

                                          How much of that salary is cause of location?

                                          The higher paying the job, the more likely its remote and location doesn't matter. Some companies choose to pay more based on remote workers location. However, it's always better to be in tax free state either way 😎👍

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                                          • dave247D
                                            dave247 @Obsolesce
                                            last edited by

                                            @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                            @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                            @jaredbusch said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                            @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                            Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                            Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

                                            I suppose the correct answer to myself is a wide net of every combination, including word of mouth, job posting sites like Indeed, Monster, etc, direct job postings on the website of the company, LinkedIn, etc.

                                            I managed to get my first IT job using my state's job network website. I got a call-back from HR and had some awesome back and forth and landed a great gig. My friend and past co-worker got an amazing job from a head-hunter on LinkedIn. Another friend got a job from a company website post...

                                            The last several good jobs I was either offered or have started were directly from LinkedIn, and some of them are $300K to $500K jobs.

                                            Can I ask what kind of IT jobs those were and the general requirements? That seems a little hard to believe unless you're talking about jobs in the major US technology hubs... but I have limited knowledge and experience in this area.

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