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Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k.In that case - OH HELL NO, I wouldn't take that new responsibility for only £5K more.
Exactly
I think 10k makes it worth doing. But 5k isnt worth the extra stress. I see 5k as a really nice payrise, not a pay adjustment for taking on a lot of duties and oownership of two departments. Even 10k is low, but I thought realistic. Was suprised they said 5k.I wouldn't take on the extra responsibilities of managing not one, but two different sets of people for less than 15k.
15K USD that is. Remember, he's in the UK. He's talking £.
10k GBP = 13.5 USD. I expect that if I say no, they will up it. But trying to get a feel for what is reasonable.
Everything I seem to find says most managers in London are around 55k anyway. So its under for a hell of a lot of work.
I didn't do the conversion.. looks like at £10K, he'd nearly get your $15K...
Good point. £10k would be a good starting point, but I would still suggest conversations about where you'd like to be in a year or two.
For only 5k, if no budge, is it even worth having that convo? Im still 50/50 on to accept or not if they dont budge...
If you say no, are they likely going to hire an outside person?
This is a great question. and if they hire an outside person, will you be replaced? Sounds like that want a single person in that three job role.
No, they would be hiring for somebody to just take on the two departments leaving me where I am.
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Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k.In that case - OH HELL NO, I wouldn't take that new responsibility for only £5K more.
Exactly
I think 10k makes it worth doing. But 5k isnt worth the extra stress. I see 5k as a really nice payrise, not a pay adjustment for taking on a lot of duties and oownership of two departments. Even 10k is low, but I thought realistic. Was suprised they said 5k.I wouldn't take on the extra responsibilities of managing not one, but two different sets of people for less than 15k.
15K USD that is. Remember, he's in the UK. He's talking £.
10k GBP = 13.5 USD. I expect that if I say no, they will up it. But trying to get a feel for what is reasonable.
Everything I seem to find says most managers in London are around 55k anyway. So its under for a hell of a lot of work.
I didn't do the conversion.. looks like at £10K, he'd nearly get your $15K...
Good point. £10k would be a good starting point, but I would still suggest conversations about where you'd like to be in a year or two.
For only 5k, if no budge, is it even worth having that convo? Im still 50/50 on to accept or not if they dont budge...
If you say no, are they likely going to hire an outside person?
This is a great question. and if they hire an outside person, will you be replaced? Sounds like that want a single person in that three job role.
No, they would be hiring for somebody to just take on the two departments leaving me where I am.
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Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k.In that case - OH HELL NO, I wouldn't take that new responsibility for only £5K more.
Exactly
I think 10k makes it worth doing. But 5k isnt worth the extra stress. I see 5k as a really nice payrise, not a pay adjustment for taking on a lot of duties and oownership of two departments. Even 10k is low, but I thought realistic. Was suprised they said 5k.I wouldn't take on the extra responsibilities of managing not one, but two different sets of people for less than 15k.
15K USD that is. Remember, he's in the UK. He's talking £.
10k GBP = 13.5 USD. I expect that if I say no, they will up it. But trying to get a feel for what is reasonable.
Everything I seem to find says most managers in London are around 55k anyway. So its under for a hell of a lot of work.
I didn't do the conversion.. looks like at £10K, he'd nearly get your $15K...
Good point. £10k would be a good starting point, but I would still suggest conversations about where you'd like to be in a year or two.
For only 5k, if no budge, is it even worth having that convo? Im still 50/50 on to accept or not if they dont budge...
If you say no, are they likely going to hire an outside person?
This is a great question. and if they hire an outside person, will you be replaced? Sounds like that want a single person in that three job role.
No, they would be hiring for somebody to just take on the two departments leaving me where I am.
Really? You know this?
Yes. 100%.
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Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k.In that case - OH HELL NO, I wouldn't take that new responsibility for only £5K more.
Exactly
I think 10k makes it worth doing. But 5k isnt worth the extra stress. I see 5k as a really nice payrise, not a pay adjustment for taking on a lot of duties and oownership of two departments. Even 10k is low, but I thought realistic. Was suprised they said 5k.I wouldn't take on the extra responsibilities of managing not one, but two different sets of people for less than 15k.
15K USD that is. Remember, he's in the UK. He's talking £.
10k GBP = 13.5 USD. I expect that if I say no, they will up it. But trying to get a feel for what is reasonable.
Everything I seem to find says most managers in London are around 55k anyway. So its under for a hell of a lot of work.
I didn't do the conversion.. looks like at £10K, he'd nearly get your $15K...
Good point. £10k would be a good starting point, but I would still suggest conversations about where you'd like to be in a year or two.
For only 5k, if no budge, is it even worth having that convo? Im still 50/50 on to accept or not if they dont budge...
If you say no, are they likely going to hire an outside person?
This is a great question. and if they hire an outside person, will you be replaced? Sounds like that want a single person in that three job role.
No, they would be hiring for somebody to just take on the two departments leaving me where I am.
Really? You know this?
Yes. 100%.
Well, sounds like they have £55K to play with toward your salary then (not to mention the cost of the benefits for a whole other person.
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What city are you in now?
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What city are you in now?
London, Camden Town.
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@jimmy9008 That doesn't make any sense. if they can pay an entire salary to someone you can get more than 5k
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Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k.In that case - OH HELL NO, I wouldn't take that new responsibility for only £5K more.
Exactly
I think 10k makes it worth doing. But 5k isnt worth the extra stress. I see 5k as a really nice payrise, not a pay adjustment for taking on a lot of duties and oownership of two departments. Even 10k is low, but I thought realistic. Was suprised they said 5k.I wouldn't take on the extra responsibilities of managing not one, but two different sets of people for less than 15k.
15K USD that is. Remember, he's in the UK. He's talking £.
10k GBP = 13.5 USD. I expect that if I say no, they will up it. But trying to get a feel for what is reasonable.
Everything I seem to find says most managers in London are around 55k anyway. So its under for a hell of a lot of work.
I didn't do the conversion.. looks like at £10K, he'd nearly get your $15K...
Good point. £10k would be a good starting point, but I would still suggest conversations about where you'd like to be in a year or two.
For only 5k, if no budge, is it even worth having that convo? Im still 50/50 on to accept or not if they dont budge...
If you say no, are they likely going to hire an outside person?
This is a great question. and if they hire an outside person, will you be replaced? Sounds like that want a single person in that three job role.
No, they would be hiring for somebody to just take on the two departments leaving me where I am.
Really? You know this?
Yes. 100%.
Well, sounds like they have £55K to play with toward your salary then (not to mention the cost of the benefits for a whole other person.
That is where I am with this too. I just wanted to know if pushing back on 5k to 10k is fair, which I think it is. If they say no, that's up to them buy it costs far more and is not a sensible decision.
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@jimmy9008 That doesn't make any sense. if they can pay an entire salary to someone you can get more than 5k
I expect they are just trying to pay as low as they can and save on not hiring. Its just extremely skewed towards being good for the company, but bad for me. It looks like most say its fair to push back on this. 10k was where I think 'fair' is...
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10K is a lot more than 5K. Maybe 8K is a better number?
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
10K is a lot more than 5K. Maybe 8K is a better number?
I think asking to meet in the middle is sensible, but i'm not sure the middle is worth all the extra work. Its a huge amount of work, on top of what I already do, saving the company loads...
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Im thinking of suggesting 8k, but adding 5k on top with some sort of KPI based bonus system.
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10K is a lot more than 5K. Maybe 8K is a better number?
I think asking to meet in the middle is sensible, but i'm not sure the middle is worth all the extra work. Its a huge amount of work, on top of what I already do, saving the company loads...
That's the hard part. You really just have to think about what the value of hte work, experience, and money are to you.
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10K is a lot more than 5K. Maybe 8K is a better number?
I think asking to meet in the middle is sensible, but i'm not sure the middle is worth all the extra work. Its a huge amount of work, on top of what I already do, saving the company loads...
That's the hard part. You really just have to think about what the value of hte work, experience, and money are to you.
Well, more than 5k for sure
Lets see what happens.I may take it for the experience and jump ship in a year.
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@nadnerb That looks like the same cat that transcended reality by using Spice a while back.
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@nadnerb That looks like the same cat that transcended reality by using Spice a while back.
Clearly the cat has issues.
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My toe hurts
And a follow on from this.........could this be the reason?? #isthereadoctorinthehouse
