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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
Both were wrong, don't take it the wrong way.
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
Yup, and the poor family will be left without justice.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
Yup, and the poor family will be left without justice.
The kid should be charged with whatever it would be for pranking the police. Not anything to do with murder or causing death. The police should be.
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
Yup, and the poor family will be left without justice.
The kid should be charged with whatever it would be for pranking the police. Not anything to do with murder or causing death. The police should be.
I am of the opinion that both should be. One should be up for second degree murder, and the other for as an accomplace or something. Even as a prank, trying to get a cop to kill someone or accusing someone of a false crime should carry a penalty at least equal to the crime being falsely claimed. The pranker claimed murder and hostage taking, he should be tried at that level as a minimum, IMHO.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
Yup, and the poor family will be left without justice.
The kid should be charged with whatever it would be for pranking the police. Not anything to do with murder or causing death. The police should be.
I am of the opinion that both should be. One should be up for second degree murder, and the other for as an accomplace or something. Even as a prank, trying to get a cop to kill someone or accusing someone of a false crime should carry a penalty at least equal to the crime being falsely claimed. The pranker claimed murder and hostage taking, he should be tried at that level as a minimum, IMHO.
Oh, well that changes my view if the kids intent was for that to happen. Definitely an accomplice to murder like you said, then.
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
Yup, and the poor family will be left without justice.
The kid should be charged with whatever it would be for pranking the police. Not anything to do with murder or causing death. The police should be.
I am of the opinion that both should be. One should be up for second degree murder, and the other for as an accomplace or something. Even as a prank, trying to get a cop to kill someone or accusing someone of a false crime should carry a penalty at least equal to the crime being falsely claimed. The pranker claimed murder and hostage taking, he should be tried at that level as a minimum, IMHO.
Oh, well that changes my view if the kids intent was for that to happen. Definitely an accomplice to murder like you said, then.
Who knows what the intent is, but a prank that accuses someone of murder is.... accusing someone of murder. That the intent is or isn't as a prank I don't see as relevant.
It's like "I shot him in the face... but it was just a prank." Yeah... but it is still shooting someone in the face.
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Perhaps it's best both be charged with murder. One as second degree, one as third degree. Perhaps the kid with second, and police with third.
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
Perhaps it's best both be charged with murder. One as second degree, one as third degree. Perhaps the kid with second, and police with third.
The cop should definitely get the worst of it. He is trained and responsible and trusted by the public to do the opposite of what he did. He didn't verify the call, didn't verify the situation, didn't verify the person, didn't verify the threat, and executed and innocent, unarmed, confused guy for no reason. Honestly, I think cops should be held to the highest degree of accountability given their training and that the public trusts them to not kill indisciminately. By putting on the badge, he accepts a level of responsibility that is far above that of the civilian population. There is zero excuse for his actions. The prankster needs to be accountable for his own actions - false accusations and insiting murder. But the cop chose to execute an innocent man all on his own.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
Perhaps it's best both be charged with murder. One as second degree, one as third degree. Perhaps the kid with second, and police with third.
The cop should definitely get the worst of it. He is trained and responsible and trusted by the public to do the opposite of what he did. He didn't verify the call, didn't verify the situation, didn't verify the person, didn't verify the threat, and executed and innocent, unarmed, confused guy for no reason. Honestly, I think cops should be held to the highest degree of accountability given their training and that the public trusts them to not kill indisciminately. By putting on the badge, he accepts a level of responsibility that is far above that of the civilian population. There is zero excuse for his actions. The prankster needs to be accountable for his own actions - false accusations and insiting murder. But the cop chose to execute an innocent man all on his own.
Yeah makes the most sense. I'd rather see both with second degree, though, because it was done in Kansas.
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California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
Yeah, too bad smoking anything into your lungs is bad... smoke itself is... and yes, I know better than cigarettes, but it's all just different degrees of bad or harmfulness. One is worse than the other, but both are bad period.
If you want the health benefits of marijuana, but not the harm or damage from smoke, well... I'm sure there's some healthy baked goods recipes out there ^_^
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
Yeah, too bad smoking anything into your lungs is bad... smoke itself is... and yes, I know better than cigarettes, but it's all just different degrees of bad or harmfulness. One is worse than the other, but both are bad period.
If you want the health benefits of marijuana, but not the harm or damage from smoke, well... I'm sure there's some healthy baked goods recipes out there ^_^
Still illegal to smoke in public. But edibles seem to be ok.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
Yeah, too bad smoking anything into your lungs is bad... smoke itself is... and yes, I know better than cigarettes, but it's all just different degrees of bad or harmfulness. One is worse than the other, but both are bad period.
If you want the health benefits of marijuana, but not the harm or damage from smoke, well... I'm sure there's some healthy baked goods recipes out there ^_^
Still illegal to smoke in public. But edibles seem to be ok.
Glad to hear that - now if they made smoking anything in public illegal.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
Yeah, too bad smoking anything into your lungs is bad... smoke itself is... and yes, I know better than cigarettes, but it's all just different degrees of bad or harmfulness. One is worse than the other, but both are bad period.
If you want the health benefits of marijuana, but not the harm or damage from smoke, well... I'm sure there's some healthy baked goods recipes out there ^_^
Still illegal to smoke in public. But edibles seem to be ok.
Glad to hear that - now if they made smoking anything in public illegal.
It's getting closer. At least in CA.
You should see how it is in Sweden... I swear if you dropped someone off in the city who didn't know WHEN it was, they'd think it was 80's or 90's the way everyone is smoking like crazy.
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
Yeah, too bad smoking anything into your lungs is bad... smoke itself is... and yes, I know better than cigarettes, but it's all just different degrees of bad or harmfulness. One is worse than the other, but both are bad period.
If you want the health benefits of marijuana, but not the harm or damage from smoke, well... I'm sure there's some healthy baked goods recipes out there ^_^
Still illegal to smoke in public. But edibles seem to be ok.
Glad to hear that - now if they made smoking anything in public illegal.
It's getting closer. At least in CA.
You should see how it is in Sweden... I swear if you dropped someone off in the city who didn't know WHEN it was, they'd think it was 80's or 90's the way everyone is smoking like crazy.
oh, the whole of the US is way ahead of much of Europe, at least the parts I visited.
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TCO of electric vehicles is less then that of ICE vehicles.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
California Dispensaries can legally sell recreational marijuana starting tomorrow. Good for California.
Yeah, too bad smoking anything into your lungs is bad... smoke itself is... and yes, I know better than cigarettes, but it's all just different degrees of bad or harmfulness. One is worse than the other, but both are bad period.
If you want the health benefits of marijuana, but not the harm or damage from smoke, well... I'm sure there's some healthy baked goods recipes out there ^_^
Still illegal to smoke in public. But edibles seem to be ok.
Glad to hear that - now if they made smoking anything in public illegal.
It's getting closer. At least in CA.
You should see how it is in Sweden... I swear if you dropped someone off in the city who didn't know WHEN it was, they'd think it was 80's or 90's the way everyone is smoking like crazy.
oh, the whole of the US is way ahead of much of Europe, at least the parts I visited.
Panama is the best.... tobacco free country!
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@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tim_g said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's not the callers fault someone died. It's the ill-trained police jumping in throwing bullets around.
Why didn't the police just shoot everyone and anyone around him and just say... "well that kid shouldn't have pranked us, it's his fault"... same thing.
And what if it wasn't a prank, but they just got the address wrong - even when these things are real they require way more verification than an anonymous phone tip. Or the shooter sent out a hostage instead of coming out himself? Bottom line, the cop murdered a completely innocent guy based on nothing. Imagine if any other job operated like that.
Sadly nothing will come of this. The officer will go on paid leave until the press dies down and the PR will be spun to place the blame on the caller and not the cop that pulled the trigger.
Yup, and the poor family will be left without justice.
The kid should be charged with whatever it would be for pranking the police. Not anything to do with murder or causing death. The police should be.
The person who did the swatting can be charged with murder because his crime causes the events that someone got killed in if you are the getaway driver and someone dies during the crime you will most likely be charged for that murder. The police would most likely be charged with involuntary/voluntary manslaughter. You would have to prove that the police planned on killing someone during their response, in order to charge with murder, which would be unlikely to be proven. I believe both the caller and the police officer who shot that guy should be brought before a jury.
