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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

      @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

      @scottalanmiller OK take this example.

      I suspect my neighbors house is being broken in at 2AM in the morning as I see a guy break a window and crawl through it.

      I call the police with what I've witnessed.

      They show up, find the suspect, and it is actually just the owner drunk off his ass and lost his house keys.

      I'm then labeled a racist for this "living while black" law because I didn't go investigate the activity myself.

      Exactly, because there was no crime. Because you can't prove it, you would have no legal right to report it.

      What?!

      Of course there is the "right to report it". You report suspicious activity to prevent even worse activity. That's how the law works.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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        @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

        @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

        @obsolesce Let's take the Marley sibling that had the police called on her because she was "taking things from the marley residence" and had the police called on her.

        The neighbor had no idea who this person was, what she was doing there or why she was taking things from the residence. Called the police, and then had the Marley sibling label her a racist because she was actually allowed to be there.

        Again, in that case, for all the caller knows, that person IS doing something illegal.

        The law is referring to purposefully calling police knowing there is not crime being done, and no evidence of crime being done.

        I'm using the same example over and over, but with different examples. Which in every case of this law's explanation so far, would have me labeled as a racist.

        Is it my job to investigate a possible crime in progress or the police, @scottalanmiller (rhetorical question) it's the polices.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
          last edited by

          @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

          @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

          @obsolesce Let's take the Marley sibling that had the police called on her because she was "taking things from the marley residence" and had the police called on her.

          The neighbor had no idea who this person was, what she was doing there or why she was taking things from the residence. Called the police, and then had the Marley sibling label her a racist because she was actually allowed to be there.

          Again, in that case, for all the caller knows, that person IS doing something illegal.

          The law is referring to purposefully calling police knowing there is not crime being done, and no evidence of crime being done.

          Right, which in his example, there was no crime and no evidence of a crime. Nothing criminal at all. That's the exact point. Climbing through a window is in no way a crime.

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

            @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

            @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

            @obsolesce Let's take the Marley sibling that had the police called on her because she was "taking things from the marley residence" and had the police called on her.

            The neighbor had no idea who this person was, what she was doing there or why she was taking things from the residence. Called the police, and then had the Marley sibling label her a racist because she was actually allowed to be there.

            Again, in that case, for all the caller knows, that person IS doing something illegal.

            The law is referring to purposefully calling police knowing there is not crime being done, and no evidence of crime being done.

            Right, which in his example, there was no crime and no evidence of a crime. Nothing criminal at all. That's the exact point. Climbing through a window is in no way a crime.

            Yes it is. That's breaking and entering, which is a crime.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

              Is it my job to investigate a possible crime in progress or the police, @scottalanmiller (rhetorical question) it's the polices.

              Currently the polices'. If the new law comes through, that CLEARLY is switched. And you are completely responsible, under how they have described it, to be completely sure that a crime has been witnessed and can be proven BEFORE the police are legally allowed to be called.

              That's what this law is, a change in who is held responsible for proving a crime.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                @obsolesce Let's take the Marley sibling that had the police called on her because she was "taking things from the marley residence" and had the police called on her.

                The neighbor had no idea who this person was, what she was doing there or why she was taking things from the residence. Called the police, and then had the Marley sibling label her a racist because she was actually allowed to be there.

                Again, in that case, for all the caller knows, that person IS doing something illegal.

                The law is referring to purposefully calling police knowing there is not crime being done, and no evidence of crime being done.

                Right, which in his example, there was no crime and no evidence of a crime. Nothing criminal at all. That's the exact point. Climbing through a window is in no way a crime.

                Yes it is. That's breaking and entering, which is a crime.

                Nope, entering a window is NOT breaking and entering. And even breaking and entering into your own house is not a crime. There is NO crime here, none.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller but as a person who's responsibility in this Country isn't to investigate possible and actual crimes, the only possible responsibility would be to call the police to report what is believe to be a crime.

                  Punishment for reporting activity like in my examples is insanity. I get cases like the water-bottle crazy bitch case. 100%

                  But this law doesn't define the difference. Just calling the police, at all, for suspicious activity against a person of color, immediately makes it a hate crime if there was no actual crime.

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    @obsolesce Let's take the Marley sibling that had the police called on her because she was "taking things from the marley residence" and had the police called on her.

                    The neighbor had no idea who this person was, what she was doing there or why she was taking things from the residence. Called the police, and then had the Marley sibling label her a racist because she was actually allowed to be there.

                    Again, in that case, for all the caller knows, that person IS doing something illegal.

                    The law is referring to purposefully calling police knowing there is not crime being done, and no evidence of crime being done.

                    Right, which in his example, there was no crime and no evidence of a crime. Nothing criminal at all. That's the exact point. Climbing through a window is in no way a crime.

                    Yes it is. That's breaking and entering, which is a crime.

                    Nope, entering a window is NOT breaking and entering. And even breaking and entering into your own house is not a crime. There is NO crime here, none.

                    Caller did not know it was the person's house. Definitely a crime.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      Entering an open door holding a gift basket is also not a crime, unless you are trespassing. Breaking and entering cannot be determined without an investigation unless it is YOU against whom the crime is committed. And even then, you still have the responsibility to prove it.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                        last edited by

                        @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        @obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        @obsolesce Let's take the Marley sibling that had the police called on her because she was "taking things from the marley residence" and had the police called on her.

                        The neighbor had no idea who this person was, what she was doing there or why she was taking things from the residence. Called the police, and then had the Marley sibling label her a racist because she was actually allowed to be there.

                        Again, in that case, for all the caller knows, that person IS doing something illegal.

                        The law is referring to purposefully calling police knowing there is not crime being done, and no evidence of crime being done.

                        Right, which in his example, there was no crime and no evidence of a crime. Nothing criminal at all. That's the exact point. Climbing through a window is in no way a crime.

                        Yes it is. That's breaking and entering, which is a crime.

                        Nope, entering a window is NOT breaking and entering. And even breaking and entering into your own house is not a crime. There is NO crime here, none.

                        Caller did not know it was the person's house. Definitely a crime.

                        No crime. None. What the caller knows or does not know has NOT bearing on something being a crime.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                          @scottalanmiller but as a person who's responsibility in this Country isn't to investigate possible and actual crimes, the only possible responsibility would be to call the police to report what is believe to be a crime.

                          Did you not read the article? The WHOLE point is to shift the responsibility. That's what this law would do. It CHANGES who is responsible. Your personal opinion of how it SHOULD be is not relevant. The current law puts the onus on the police, the new one puts it on the reporter. Clear as day.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                            Entering an open door holding a gift basket is also not a crime, unless you are trespassing. Breaking and entering cannot be determined without an investigation unless it is YOU against whom the crime is committed. And even then, you still have the responsibility to prove it.

                            But it is never the citizens responsibility to investigate. Ever. Period.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                              @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                              Punishment for reporting activity like in my examples is insanity. I get cases like the water-bottle crazy bitch case. 100%

                              I think expecting the law to be sane, rational, or for the good of the people causes problems here. You can't think of laws that way.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                Entering an open door holding a gift basket is also not a crime, unless you are trespassing. Breaking and entering cannot be determined without an investigation unless it is YOU against whom the crime is committed. And even then, you still have the responsibility to prove it.

                                But it is never the citizens responsibility to investigate. Ever. Period.

                                Except it is, under the proposed law, period. So you are simply wrong.

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                                • momurdaM
                                  momurda
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                                  Why would anybody ever call american police for help?

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                                  • NerdyDadN
                                    NerdyDad @momurda
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                                    @momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                    Why would anybody ever call american police for help?

                                    Well, you can't call the Mexican police for help.

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce @momurda
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                                      @momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                      Why would anybody ever call american police for help?

                                      To get a person of color removed from the premises... according to media.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @momurda
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                                        @momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                        Why would anybody ever call american police for help?

                                        Right, I'd just shoot the person I suspect first and investigate, once they're dead or proven to be allowed to be there would I call for an ambulance or hearse.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                          @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                          But it is never the citizens responsibility to investigate. Ever. Period.

                                          Basically you are stating that this new law can't exist due to same property of nature. But it can. All it has to do is be passed and your statement is provably false. There is no basis for saying that a citizen is never responsible for something, when we are discussing making a law to do exactly that.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                            @momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                            Why would anybody ever call american police for help?

                                            Right, I'd just shoot the person I suspect first and investigate, once they're dead or proven to be allowed to be there would I call for an ambulance or hearse.

                                            Texas is the place for you.

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