Possible Refresh for Local Firehouse
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@handsofqwerty said:
@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller @handsofqwerty
I've been burned by the Windows software "raid" more than once... Nothing beats a good (tested) backup.
Yeah, which is why I want to deploy a Unitrends Free as well.
There's no exclusions in the current beta version.. I don't think I'd be deploying a beta.
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller @handsofqwerty
I've been burned by the Windows software "raid" more than once... Nothing beats a good (tested) backup.
Of course, I would never run it myself. Nor it rebranded as Storage Spaces. I can't believe how many people were easily fooled with that rebranded (and also Lync being renamed Skype for Business.) No matter how many times it happens, IT folk are suckers for a non-secret rebrand.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller @handsofqwerty
I've been burned by the Windows software "raid" more than once... Nothing beats a good (tested) backup.
Yeah, which is why I want to deploy a Unitrends Free as well.
There's no exclusions in the current beta version.. I don't think I'd be deploying a beta.
Why not? For an environment as simple as what theirs' would be, I don't see it causing any issues. If we had some odd system, like an AS/400 or the like, then maybe I'd be more hesitant.
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@handsofqwerty said:
Why not? For an environment as simple as what theirs' would be, I don't see it causing any issues.
Beta means that even the vendor doesn't think it is safe to use yet.
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@handsofqwerty said:
If we had some odd system, like an AS/400 or the like, then maybe I'd be more hesitant.
I don't understand how the platform in question for the target of the backups would change the willingness to depend on a non-released product.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@handsofqwerty said:
If we had some odd system, like an AS/400 or the like, then maybe I'd be more hesitant.
I don't understand how the platform in question for the target of the backups would change the willingness to depend on a non-released product.
Because when it's straight Windows, so no Exchange, SQL server, etc, I've never seen Unitrends have any issues, ever. It's usually more likely they have issues with the more peculiar systems, in my experience. They usually work out the most common systems issues earlier in development, from what I've seen. Some products have long-term issues, but it makes sense to make sure that the most common items work first.
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@handsofqwerty said:
Because when it's straight Windows, so no Exchange, SQL server, etc, I've never seen Unitrends have any issues, ever.
The point is this is a new product and a beta that isn't ready to be used yet. So unless you are comparing this to a long track record of betas and have a good reason why you feel the beta title is not needed - especially since this product doesn't handle anything but HyperV and VMware so even Windows isn't an option. Your point doesn't make logical sense here.
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@handsofqwerty said:
They usually work out the most common systems issues earlier in development, from what I've seen.
That's what a beta implies. But it also implies that it has not be thoroughly tested yet and you are considering letting a firehouse do that testing. If anything goes wrong you could be in legal trouble as this would easily constitute professional negligence. The beta label is there for a reason. Don't ignore it.
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@handsofqwerty said:
Some products have long-term issues, but it makes sense to make sure that the most common items work first.
There are only two "features", VMware and HyperV. And people are encountering issues.
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@handsofqwerty said:
Unitrends have any issues, ever
Have you used the current beta in production environments to say that. Past experiences don't relate to this beta.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Keep in mind doing this personally (especially if you don't have an LLC) you are taking a lot more personal liability than handing it over to @ntg
I just want to quote this for emphasis. It was what I was trying to get at earlier. If something goes wrong you are personally liable...
Not saying you will be negligent... but...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@handsofqwerty said:
They usually work out the most common systems issues earlier in development, from what I've seen.
That's what a beta implies. But it also implies that it has not be thoroughly tested yet and you are considering letting a firehouse do that testing. If anything goes wrong you could be in legal trouble as this would easily constitute professional negligence. The beta label is there for a reason. Don't ignore it.
There are places where it's okay to test beta's in production.. Backups is not one of them. That's worse than using a beta version of the actual server.
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@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Keep in mind doing this personally (especially if you don't have an LLC) you are taking a lot more personal liability than handing it over to @ntg
I just want to quote this for emphasis. It was what I was trying to get at earlier. If something goes wrong you are personally liable...
Not saying you will be negligent... but...
Well he is representing a company. So he has more than an LLC in this case.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
There are places where it's okay to test beta's in production.. Backups is not one of them. That's worse than using a beta version of the actual server.
It's fine even in production if the business understands the risk and knows that the backups don't matter than much or whatever. But what are the chances that a firehouse is going to understand that? And if they did, what are the chances that they would be happy to find out that they were being recommended that they use something that even the vendor doesn't think is a good idea?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Keep in mind doing this personally (especially if you don't have an LLC) you are taking a lot more personal liability than handing it over to @ntg
I just want to quote this for emphasis. It was what I was trying to get at earlier. If something goes wrong you are personally liable...
Not saying you will be negligent... but...
Well he is representing a company. So he has more than an LLC in this case.
He is? I know he will be for the printer installation, but what about for the actual hardware/software refresh? Is he representing himself or the company he works for at that point, has his company approved this labor?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Keep in mind doing this personally (especially if you don't have an LLC) you are taking a lot more personal liability than handing it over to @ntg
I just want to quote this for emphasis. It was what I was trying to get at earlier. If something goes wrong you are personally liable...
Not saying you will be negligent... but...
Well he is representing a company. So he has more than an LLC in this case.
Isn't he doing this one himself on his own then handing over to NTG?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Keep in mind doing this personally (especially if you don't have an LLC) you are taking a lot more personal liability than handing it over to @ntg
I just want to quote this for emphasis. It was what I was trying to get at earlier. If something goes wrong you are personally liable...
Not saying you will be negligent... but...
Well he is representing a company. So he has more than an LLC in this case.
He is? I know he will be for the printer installation, but what about for the actual hardware/software refresh? Is he representing himself or the company he works for at that point, has his company approved this labor?
Yeah, I don't think said retailer is involved in that portion of the work. That's out of their scope.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Yeah, I don't think said retailer is involved in that portion of the work. That's out of their scope.
I've heard of them doing stuff way out of their depth before. This sounds normal to me. But I could easily be wrong.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Yeah, I don't think said retailer is involved in that portion of the work. That's out of their scope.
I've heard of them doing stuff way out of their depth before. This sounds normal to me. But I could easily be wrong.
They don't around here I know, I'm friends with the GM of said retailer. It's bench tech, home networking with SOHO routers and printers only.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Yeah, I don't think said retailer is involved in that portion of the work. That's out of their scope.
I've heard of them doing stuff way out of their depth before. This sounds normal to me. But I could easily be wrong.
They don't around here I know, I'm friends with the GM of said retailer. It's bench tech, home networking with SOHO routers and printers only.
I know that in the area where he is they used to do business stuff that was outside of that scope.
