Going back to school...
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@RamblingBiped I responded to this post on Spiceworks, you fiendish cross poster.
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@RamblingBiped said:
@StrongBad Okay, so maybe I should have said QUICKLY grasp the fundamentals AND build a solid proficiency with Java.
That was my assumption. That's why two or three weeks with a good book or two and really learning solid fundamentals and doing so quickly is what I would think is a good start.
Going back to college is not a good path for solid fundamentals in most cases. Good schools that really handle programming well (MIT, UC B, Stanford) don't teach fundamentals and expect that to be solid before you get there. The others tend to be pretty weak on fundamentals. Instead of spending a few years and finding out later if you got lucky in getting taught the fundamentals why not do that quickly and solidly right away?
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@RamblingBiped said:
@StrongBad Okay, so maybe I should have said QUICKLY grasp the fundamentals AND build a solid proficiency with Java.
Relative to Java is Eclipse the preferred IDE I should start working with, or is there something better? I've bounced around a little with an intro to java course on udemy.com a few weeks ago and it seems like that and other courses always have you install Eclipse.
IntelliJ IDEA is a billion times better, Eclipse is a piece of garbage by comparison, I really hated it, and it actually made me hate Java. Well, don't get me wrong, I use Java almost every day and still hate it, but I hate it a lot less.
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@thecreativeone91 I agree... I've got an AS in CS from a community college and pretty much all of my IT/CS courses were a joke. The curriculum was outdated and less than useful. On the flipside, I breezed through the courses relatively easily. The affordability of this degree program and my familiarity with a lot of the IT-related curriculum are a bonus. Ideally I will be able to breeze through the Network+ course and most of the Security+. Hopefully the courses centered on development will just give me a lot of time excuses to create code using the language(s) and quickly build a proficiency.
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@tonyshowoff Haha! I'm an opportunist! I posted here first if that's any consolation...
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@RamblingBiped Unless it's me or two other people posting, you'll generally get bad programming advice on Spiceworks. It may just descend into people telling you to get some weird certification nobody cares about or for you to focus only on VB.NET since that's what they've done for 12 years.
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@RamblingBiped said:
Relative to Java is Eclipse the preferred IDE I should start working with, or is there something better? I've bounced around a little with an intro to java course on udemy.com a few weeks ago and it seems like that and other courses always have you install Eclipse.
Don't spend your time learning an IDE. Learn to use vi or Notepad++ instead of focusing on tooling. IDEs just get in the way of learning. Only look to an IDE once you have the fundamentals down.
Good way to know if a Java class will be any good .... do they start by teaching programming or an IDE. If they lead with an IDE, run away. They are stalling and trying to misdirect the effort of learning to something that a non-programmer can teach.
Eclipse is fine as IDEs go. I don't like it and I don't believe that many senior developers use it. Every six figure Java developer I've worked with uses vi or a similar tool. Bare and easy. If I was going to get a rich IDE for Java the only one I would use it JetBrain's. Worlds better than Eclipse, at least the last time that I used Eclipse. Eclipse has a pretty enormous learning curve which is the last thing that you want while learning to program.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@RamblingBiped I responded to this post on Spiceworks, you fiendish cross poster.
Network Nerd does this a lot to. I hardly post to SW anymore.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@RamblingBiped Unless it's me or two other people posting, you'll generally get bad programming advice on Spiceworks. It may just descend into people telling you to get some weird certification nobody cares about or for you to focus only on VB.NET since that's what they've done for 12 years.
That's pretty much what I see. People trying to justify their own failures by recommending them to others so that they can point to how even current people are studying this stuff.
In their defense, SW is not, at all, a programming community and the SMB IT market is about as far as you can get from the software development world while remaining in the overall context of IT.
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Go forth and learn! Best of luck and may the code ninja be with you always
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@RamblingBiped said:
@tonyshowoff Haha! I'm an opportunist! I posted here first if that's any consolation...
We probably responded before you could get a post up over there. Thank you desktop alerts!
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@MattSpeller said:
Go forth and learn! Best of luck and may the code ninja be with you always
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that he learn Go or Forth?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Don't spend your time learning an IDE. Learn to use vi or Notepad++ instead of focusing on tooling. IDEs just get in the way of learning. Only look to an IDE once you have the fundamentals down.
And if I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.
Only learn vi if you have to, it's an entire environment of absolute hell in of itself. I mean, super simple stuff like easy menus and so on, no, we need complicated insert mode, command mode, delete mode, cut your grass mode, etc.
Don't listen to @scottalanmiller when it comes to programming, he's trying to misinform you so you'll hate programming and he can monopolise every thread as being the only programmer. You know the only reason I joined this site is so I could tail gate him in programming threads. He doesn't know I'm on to him though.
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@RamblingBiped said:
@thecreativeone91 I agree... I've got an AS in CS from a community college and pretty much all of my IT/CS courses were a joke. The curriculum was outdated and less than useful. On the flipside, I breezed through the courses relatively easily. The affordability of this degree program and my familiarity with a lot of the IT-related curriculum are a bonus. Ideally I will be able to breeze through the Network+ course and most of the Security+. Hopefully the courses centered on development will just give me a lot of time excuses to create code using the language(s) and quickly build a proficiency.
From that I have seen, community colleges are among the best for this. It just goes downhill from there.
I actually sat on the board of the CS and IT programmers for a community college in NY for many years. Without a degree, I should add.
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@tonyshowoff said:
Only learn vi if you have to, it's an entire environment of absolute hell in of itself.
I'll second that.
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@scottalanmiller There were numerous responses before I could copy and paste the original post from here... lol
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@RamblingBiped It's late in the day, usually it'll be solved here before it hits SW. Sorry bout that mate
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In addition to Notepad++, which is pretty nice, Sublime is popular with the Mac crowd. GitHub recently released Atom which I like a bit. Atom and Notepad++ are free. Sublime isn't bad.
I use JetBrain's tools for some languages, but that's unnecessary and I have money to burn so I don't worry about it.
There are online IDEs now that are pretty nice too, often free for a student or single developer.
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@MattSpeller said:
@tonyshowoff said:
Only learn vi if you have to, it's an entire environment of absolute hell in of itself.
I'll second that.
What? I like vi. Just not for programing.
