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    • EddieJenningsE
      EddieJennings @travisdh1
      last edited by EddieJennings

      @travisdh1 I'm not 100% without blame, as I could've probably pushed hard for virtualization at the time the RAID 5 was dying. In retrospect I should've, but I chose the path where I knew I could mitigate the problem and not have pushback.

      As far as the other server with a split array (Two SSDs in RAID 1 and Four in RAID 10), that decision was made before I both had the power to actually influence decisions and gained some wisdom about how storage is supposed to be designed.

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      • travisdh1T
        travisdh1 @EddieJennings
        last edited by

        @eddiejennings said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

        @travisdh1 I'm not 100% without blame, as I could've probably pushed hard for virtualization at the time the RAID 5 was dying. In retrospect I should've, but I chose the path where I knew I could mitigate the problem and not have pushback.

        As far as the other server with a split array (Two SSDs in RAID 1 and Four in RAID 10), that decision was made before I both had the power to actually influence decisions and gained some wisdom about how storage is supposed to be designed.

        And the difference between management and you, is that you know better now and will fix the issues when the time comes to replace equipment. Question is, will management get stuck in and prevent you from doing things right?

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        • dafyreD
          dafyre
          last edited by

          The only Hypervisor I trust enough to install to SD cards right now is ESXi. If you're using anything else, just save yourself the headaches and install it in OBR.

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          • EddieJenningsE
            EddieJennings @dafyre
            last edited by

            @dafyre I've heard the same from others. The things that are virtualized here use Hyper-V, and likely that's what I'll use when the aforementioned servers are virtualized.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @dafyre
              last edited by

              @dafyre said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

              The only Hypervisor I trust enough to install to SD cards right now is ESXi. If you're using anything else, just save yourself the headaches and install it in OBR.

              Agreed

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @dafyre
                last edited by

                @dafyre said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                The only Hypervisor I trust enough to install to SD cards right now is ESXi. If you're using anything else, just save yourself the headaches and install it in OBR.

                The only reason the other hypervisors don't do this any more is because they've failed at explaining how to protect the boot environment for the hypervisor.

                Hyper-V once recommended installing to the cheapest storage, so long as you had a good working backup.
                You can do the same with XS, but you need to customize the installation so none of the logging goes to the boot device. Which adds a lot of complexity.

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @dustinb3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                  Which adds a lot of complexity.

                  Which is what we are trying to avoid.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    Someone needs to seriously automate this.

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                    • NerdyDadN
                      NerdyDad @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by NerdyDad

                      @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                      Someone needs to seriously automate this.

                      Don't you already have a SAM-bot? Hopefully you're doing better than Microsoft's last 2 iterations.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                        Someone needs to seriously automate this.

                        It amazes me that XS hasn't solve this issue already!!!!!!

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                          Someone needs to seriously automate this.

                          It amazes me that XS hasn't solve this issue already!!!!!!

                          XS doesn't care, it is all focused on VDI. XCP is where any innovation like this might happen, but isn't going to.

                          It's more likely that Suse would solve this in the Xen space.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                            Someone needs to seriously automate this.

                            Automate what?

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @dustinb3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                              Someone needs to seriously automate this.

                              Automate what?

                              The live setup process to make other hypervisors trivial to install in a live way.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                @dustinb3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                Someone needs to seriously automate this.

                                Automate what?

                                The live setup process to make other hypervisors trivial to install in a live way.

                                Gotcha.

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @dafyre
                                  last edited by

                                  @dafyre said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                  The only Hypervisor I trust enough to install to SD cards right now is ESXi. If you're using anything else, just save yourself the headaches and install it in OBR.

                                  Actually, I almost never install Hyper-V to the ORB10.

                                  I usually pop the case open and find the unused SATA port and connect whatever random SATA drive I have available to be the 😄 drive and hold Hyper-V.

                                  If there is no way to plug in a SATA drive directly, then I use the OBR10.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    QNAP, Inverted Pyramid, RAID 5 on consumer disks. And hitting UREs.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      I can't believe that we've gone nearly two months without any craziness!

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                        I can't believe that we've gone nearly two months without any craziness!

                                        More realistically we've simply stopped searching it out. . .

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                                        • Reid CooperR
                                          Reid Cooper @DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          @dustinb3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:

                                          I can't believe that we've gone nearly two months without any craziness!

                                          More realistically we've simply stopped searching it out. . .

                                          A sad commentary on the state of things.

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                                          • dafyreD
                                            dafyre
                                            last edited by

                                            Given enough time, it will seek us out.

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