Burned by Eschewing Best Practices
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@coliver said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
That's how I read it.
I don't know that XP was ever available on Floppy - I know Windows 95 was, but that might have been the last version. I don't recall ever seeing Windows 98 or later on Floppy.
Windows 98 had ~40 floppies for installation. I'm just old enough to remember that method.
Awww - I recall the 25 or so Windows 95 floppies.. CD's were so awesome then!
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@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
That's how I read it.
I don't know that XP was ever available on Floppy - I know Windows 95 was, but that might have been the last version. I don't recall ever seeing Windows 98 or later on Floppy.
XP did not come on floppy. Pretty sure 2000 did not either.
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@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@coliver said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
That's how I read it.
I don't know that XP was ever available on Floppy - I know Windows 95 was, but that might have been the last version. I don't recall ever seeing Windows 98 or later on Floppy.
Windows 98 had ~40 floppies for installation. I'm just old enough to remember that method.
Awww - I recall the 25 or so Windows 95 floppies.. CD's were so awesome then!
Right! I did the ME install from CD it was so much better... other then ME being a complete cluster.
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@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@coliver said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
That's how I read it.
I don't know that XP was ever available on Floppy - I know Windows 95 was, but that might have been the last version. I don't recall ever seeing Windows 98 or later on Floppy.
Windows 98 had ~40 floppies for installation. I'm just old enough to remember that method.
Awww - I recall the 25 or so Windows 95 floppies.. CD's were so awesome then!
Windows 3.11 came on six floppies, I think.
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@coliver said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@Dashrender said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
That's how I read it.
I don't know that XP was ever available on Floppy - I know Windows 95 was, but that might have been the last version. I don't recall ever seeing Windows 98 or later on Floppy.
Windows 98 had ~40 floppies for installation. I'm just old enough to remember that method.
Awww - I recall the 25 or so Windows 95 floppies.. CD's were so awesome then!
Windows 3.11 came on six floppies, I think.
Sounds right - DOS 6.x came on 2 or 3.
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Even for learning this sounds like a bad idea.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
Even for learning this sounds like a bad idea.
But if he learns it the piece meal, get it for free way, he'll be qualified to work for a non profit!
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@RojoLoco Sadly, yes that is how he will probably take the experience....
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I didn't read the whole thread, but building your own SAN can be a good learning experience... if you learn from it.
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Have to add in, since we collect these stories here, that @dafyre had a full environmental failure yesterday from using an IPOD that rested on an single IBM SAN. The SAN "just failed."
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
I didn't read the whole thread, but building your own SAN can be a good learning experience... if you learn from it.
Wouldn't do this for a (primary) production system, but a failure or off-site backup? Why not
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@thwr said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
I didn't read the whole thread, but building your own SAN can be a good learning experience... if you learn from it.
Wouldn't do this for a (primary) production system, but a failure or off-site backup? Why not
Cost. It costs more than not having the SAN, and increases risk while decreasing performance. In a system where the SAN is not saving money through scale (the only reason to have one at all), there are no positives, only negatives. If the failover site was so large that a SAN was cheaper, then sure, it could make sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@thwr said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
I didn't read the whole thread, but building your own SAN can be a good learning experience... if you learn from it.
Wouldn't do this for a (primary) production system, but a failure or off-site backup? Why not
Cost. It costs more than not having the SAN, and increases risk while decreasing performance. In a system where the SAN is not saving money through scale (the only reason to have one at all), there are no positives, only negatives. If the failover site was so large that a SAN was cheaper, then sure, it could make sense.
Well, sure, not having a SAN is better in most cases.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
Even for learning this sounds like a bad idea.
Doesn't this topic come up every week? Why are people still spouting the same misinformation they did 5 years ago?
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@coliver said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
Even for learning this sounds like a bad idea.
Doesn't this topic come up every week? Why are people still spouting the same misinformation they did 5 years ago?
Because vendors simply say "this is anecdotal, these things never fail" and people "want" to believe their vendors so much that they just keep doing what they say and calling every story of constant failure an anecdote and telling people who point out that the failures are constant crazy. Literally, you get called "crazy" or "lives in his own little world".
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Issue corrected.
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Had to share this one, it's unreal. Dell charging $2700 PER DRIVE for cheap, $200 hard drives. We expect a premium, but that is insane.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1733428-vmware-nas-suggestions?page=4#entry-6045504
It's more of just a warning about what storage vendors will potentially do to you if they think that you are a trapped audience with no other options. Or if they think that your management are suckers. Or worse.
It's not really a best practice issue, but didn't know where else to put a horror story of this nature and the dangers of prop solutions is real.
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Sounds likeAnother IPOD directly from the first few sentences.SAN Storage is crashing out and access to the VM's is disconnected when the system is even slightly taxed.
