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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said:

      Is this realistic to even pursue an Off-site backup solution?

      Tape. That's how everyone tackles that.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by

        We currently have Storage Craft for the incremental backups as well as Root directory backups.

        We would likely continue using it for incrementals. But performing the fulls is what has me the most concerned.

        (good point, forgot to add it)

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said:

          Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

          What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said:

            @DustinB3403 said:

            Is this realistic to even pursue an Off-site backup solution?

            Tape. That's how everyone tackles that.

            Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

            I can't imagine it would. This isn't for archival but recovery in IT Disaster.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

              What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

              I'm uncertain of how to find out. Any recommendations?

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                @DustinB3403 said:

                Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

                What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

                Exactly, if you go incrementals, can't StorageCraft sync via the WAN to another server? Why bother with the fulls?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                  It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                    It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                    Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      I'm uncertain of how to find out. Any recommendations?

                      It has to be measured. You need to see how big incrementals are.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                        It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                        Terabyte. Not gigabytes.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                          It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                          Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                          That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                            It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                            Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                            That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

                            And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

                              No, you change the tapes locally. You DRIVE the tapes to the offsite. The entire point is to bypass the WAN. Anything using the WAN is going to be a non-option.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                                It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                                Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                                That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

                                And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

                                I assume you would find a tape solution that holds a single full backup. Then you just swap the single tape. You said you only do it weekly, so that would be four tapes a month, and someone would have to bring them to the offsite location.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
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                                  So a local tape solution, carried off weekly.

                                  They can't be much heavier than the 22lbs box I take home weekly...

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    So a local tape solution, carried off weekly.

                                    They can't be much heavier than the 22lbs box I take home weekly...

                                    Right, like far less than a pound 😉

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Wouldn't you carry off daily?

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        Any recommendations on a product that can hold this. I haven't used any tapes in my experience.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Do disk to disk to tape. Disk backup kept onsite. Tape taken offsite.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
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                                            Daily incrementals could be performed to a colo (or online storage service) easily enough. It's the fulls that would have to be run weekly.

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