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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said:

      Fulls currently take over 24 hours to generate when their needed. So fulls are almost never taken.

      It takes 24 hours to generate a full backup from StorageCraft? Why? What's the hold up?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said:

        @DustinB3403 said:

        Fulls currently take over 24 hours to generate when their needed. So fulls are almost never taken.

        It takes 24 hours to generate a full backup from StorageCraft? Why? What's the hold up?

        Yeah, this seems like a major problem. If it takes that long to take a backup, what's the restore process look like?

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller We've never had to perform a full restore thank god.

          But I'd imagine that it's awful.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
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            This is also why we really only perform hourly incremental backups currently.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said:

              @scottalanmiller We've never had to perform a full restore thank god.

              But I'd imagine that it's awful.

              And it is the reason that backups exist in the first place 😉

              If restoring a full is bad, imagine having to restore a full plus an incremental!

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
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                When you said it took 24 hours to generate - I thought you mean to do a restore, but after reading your comments, it takes 24 hours to take a backup?

                Oh man - WHY? I'd look into fixing that problem, or ditching the StorageCraft all together. In keeping with your own desire to K.I.S.S. I don't see you have any other choice.

                From here it looks like you're trying to solve one problem by throwing another solution at it instead of fixing the problem.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
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                  OK So dropping the idea of full backups.

                  What would you guys recommend? A single full backup of the XS VM's pre-data, and then use Storage Craft for the daily incremental backups?

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
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                    If your OS's really don't matter, and they are only serving the purpose of file server - then that might work. Setup your main OS install, create all of your shares, then create images of the OS and boot drives. Then backup the data drives as desired.

                    But if you application settings that need to be backed up regularly that live on the OS drive, why not an incremental forever solution, once your StorageCraft performance problem is solved? Then you can replicate your StorageCraft to another site, only replicating the daily changes.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      Let's back up and drop all of it. And start from the beginning....

                      Why is StorageCraft taking so long to take a backup?

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by DustinB3403

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        Let's back up and drop all of it. And start from the beginning....

                        Why is StorageCraft taking so long to take a backup?

                        It takes forever to backup when creating a full. So ~6TB of live systems.

                        Also ask the MSP who set it up.... before my time and I barely touch it.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          It takes forever to backup when creating a full. So ~6TB of live systems.

                          Also ask the MSP who set it up.... before my time and I barely touch it.

                          I think that everything has to be focused here. This is the problem, this has to be fixed before you can address other issues.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender
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                            Can you work to solve that problem?

                            What can you tell us about that system? Is it on 1 Gb network? Same switch as the VM hosts? How many network connections does it have?

                            Are the disks on the VM hosts IOPs overloaded? Do they have any to spare for backups?

                            Are you doing backups now to NAUBackup? If so, how long do they take to finish? What's doing the processing for the NAUBackup, the VM host (XenServer?) or the data repository that holding the full backups?

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              You need to identify the bottlenecks on the backup system. Something is taking a really long time. Is it the target, is it the backup server, is it the source systems...

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
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                                iSCSI Buffalo drive attached to a Server 2008 file server with 1Gbe NIC (single) which backups to a 2 and 4 drive Synology devices.

                                Each synology backup different items.

                                We also have an ancient "archive server" which has 6 drives, running Server 2003 which actually runs the Storage Craft software. Single NIC connected, 1Gbe, 8GB RAM with a Quad Core AMD Opteron 1385 CPU.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender
                                  last edited by Dashrender

                                  No wonder you have issues!

                                  So the iSCSI traffic for the Buffalo goes over the same NIC as the traffic being sent to the 2 Synology devices?

                                  And it's all driven by the StorageCraft software that's running on the Server 2003 box?

                                  What does the Buffalo device do that's different than the 2 Synology devices?

                                  Is the Buffalo the primary storage, boot storage, etc, for the Server 2008?

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
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                                    The iSCSI target is housing our network shares.

                                    The buffalo is being decommissioned but it was a backup device.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                      @DustinB3403 said:

                                      We also have an ancient "archive server" which has 6 drives, running Server 2003 which actually runs the Storage Craft software. Single NIC connected, 1Gbe, 8GB RAM with a Quad Core AMD Opteron 1385 CPU.

                                      So everything flows through this machine? All 8TB of backups goes through this choke point? Have you checked CPU to see if it is maxed out? Memory to see if it is exhausted? IOPS to see if you are beyond the limits of the drives?

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        The server 2003 is horribly slow. CPU usage is constantly peaking. Memory usage doesn't seem to be hit very hard.

                                        But this device is also looking to be tossed. I was considering just using it for drive space as just another backup of our backup sort of device.

                                        Maybe not?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                          @DustinB3403 said:

                                          1Gbe

                                          1Gb/s has a realistic maximum transfer rate of 800Mb/s and that would be HARD to hit and sustain. 8TB on 1Gb/s is 21.2 hours to copy. That's with zero bottlenecks anywhere, just wide open streaming without ever dropping the speed.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
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                                            Even in relative idle times this servers slow. I don't know how old it even is. 6-8 years maybe

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