Rapid Desktop Replacement
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@BRRABill said:
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
A typical user should be on iCloud, not managing their own phone backups.
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@BRRABill said:
Or what something like ODfP that doesn't version, say, text files and you want to go back to a previous version?
In what circumstance do you have end users doing versioning of text files but are not developers? I think the generic use case here is misleading. What's the specific use case in question?
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I don't know many end users doing text file editing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I don't know many end users doing text file editing.
I cited that as the easiest file type to mention.
But what about photos that are edited, PDF files, just about anything you could inadvertently overwrite with something else?
Yes, if you delete it, it's in the Recycle Bin, but what about inadvertent changes or renaming?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
A typical user should be on iCloud, not managing their own phone backups.
A great suggestion, except for cost, if they want free.
Always a trade-off, I know.
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@BRRABill said:
But what about photos that are edited, PDF files, just about anything you could inadvertently overwrite with something else?
Photo editing is rather special. You'd expect specific photo management for that. If you are on ChromeOS, it would be handled by the photo editing application itself.
PDF should be managed by the source document.
If you are talking about deleting files you need to stop people from using that kind of storage
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
What about something like the user's iPhone backup? How does a Chromebook deal with that?
A typical user should be on iCloud, not managing their own phone backups.
A great suggestion, except for cost, if they want free.
Always a trade-off, I know.
They need to consider themselves power users if they don't want to pay for convenience. In which case Chromebooks are rules out and they need to acquaint themselves with how things work. Just like in Dustin's thread earlier today.
If you want "easy" you do what is expected. If you want "free at any cost" you suck it up buttercup and get an advanced desktop and do your own management of things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
If you are talking about deleting files you need to stop people from using that kind of storage
Yes, but you can't have it both ways.
Yes, grandmom, move all your data to the cloud. BUT...don't do this, and be sure to use all the individual cloud products (such as) that come with your individual products.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see 100% how just backing up a PC is easier than moving to the cloud, for the AVERAGE user, or below average user.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They need to consider themselves power users if they don't want to pay for convenience. In which case Chromebooks are rules out and they need to acquaint themselves with how things work. Just like in Dustin's thread earlier today.
If you want "easy" you do what is expected. If you want "free at any cost" you suck it up buttercup and get an advanced desktop and do your own management of things.
Good point. Points.
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@BRRABill said:
Yes, grandmom, move all your data to the cloud. BUT...don't do this, and be sure to use all the individual cloud products (such as) that come with your individual products.
I'm confused. I've done this for family and it is SO easy. You don't use "individual" stuff, you just use the applications. The entire idea that you need to think about storage at all is the problem. If we are talking end users, why worry about storage? Storage has gone away for them.
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@BRRABill said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see 100% how just backing up a PC is easier than moving to the cloud, for the AVERAGE user, or below average user.
Do you need to think about it? Then it is harder.
Chromebooks.... just use the apps, everything is handled for you.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Yes, grandmom, move all your data to the cloud. BUT...don't do this, and be sure to use all the individual cloud products (such as) that come with your individual products.
I'm confused. I've done this for family and it is SO easy. You don't use "individual" stuff, you just use the applications. The entire idea that you need to think about storage at all is the problem. If we are talking end users, why worry about storage? Storage has gone away for them.
I love this idea, but then you have problem I mentioned before. My boss thought she created a Word document.. opened Word and started looking for it.. and couldn't find it. Freaked out. Called me..
I went to the storage and found that it was an Excel file... launched Excel found file, I was hero.yeah storage.
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At some point the user has to know SOMETHING.
Consider how it used to be with local storage and people would edit, move to another machine and lose everything.
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@scottalanmiller said:
At some point the user has to know SOMETHING.
You just keep on thinking that.
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You know, I wonder how much Jentu would help with your scenario here. They don't exactly do what you were looking for but they do an imaging-like solution but sans virtualization so no VDI messes.
I've not used it yet first hand but have seen demos. Hoping to be hands on with it soon.
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I have already been assimilated to the ML borg and am not looking back.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rapid Desktop Replacement:
You know, I wonder how much Jentu would help with your scenario here. They don't exactly do what you were looking for but they do an imaging-like solution but sans virtualization so no VDI messes.
I've not used it yet first hand but have seen demos. Hoping to be hands on with it soon.
It sounds interesting. I just read up on their web site.... Essentially you remove the hard drive from the computer and let it PXE boot over the network. I've seen older systems like this that worked relatively well, but nothing newer... Seeing a demo would be sweet.
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@dafyre said in Rapid Desktop Replacement:
Seeing a demo would be sweet.
I'm sure @JentuTechnologies would put together a webinar for the community if people were interested. He (Abraham who uses the generic Jentu account) did a one on one "webinar" just for me twice this week, one higher level and one more in depth. He's loosely scheduled to be doing an in person presentation with @Minion-Queen @art_of_shred and me early next week and we are hoping that they will be making an appearance at a certain conference in September. But a community presentation online would, I'm sure, be useful. Maybe something YouTubed that could be embedded here.
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@dafyre said in Rapid Desktop Replacement:
It sounds interesting. I just read up on their web site.... Essentially you remove the hard drive from the computer and let it PXE boot over the network. I've seen older systems like this that worked relatively well, but nothing newer...
Yes, at the highest level it is a PXE boot, diskless, virtualization-less system that pushes OS boot image(s) to workstations via PXE and a SAN (that's built in, you don't provide your own) and everything runs from memory and the SAN. The "magic" comes from the caching and SAN optimization and the management layer, not the core theory. Management is quite simple from what I've seen and I've seen quite a bit of demos (like five hours of them) and the client management is always quite easy.
The system has a session broker too, so that you can make it act kind of like VDI if you are remote (but there is no virtualization, so you are using traditional Windows licenses, not VDI.)
I checked and there is no Windows limitation, either. So using this with Linux, FreeBSD or whatever (even ESXi, Xen, KVM, Hyper-V, etc.) works.
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Pretty much the idea is partially to address rapid rebuilds to disparate hardware like @BRRABill was looking for (but it is BYODrivers so you have to have that prepped) and partially leveraging the simple market pressure that has caused traditional workstations to be about the same cost as thin clients and when you remove the local drive on a traditional PC you can acquire and maintain them much more cost effectively (or whitebox your own easily) than a thin client while getting all of that extra CPU and memory that you can leverage.
