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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @drewlander
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      @drewlander said:

      I would surmise then with three disks the cache can get backlogged faster than with two disks because it has to deal with 33% more more writes before dumping that data from cache, which is entirely plausible in a high volume random write environment like OLTP systems.

      Cache concerns remain the same, the cache would contain one copy of the data to be written no matter how many mirror members there are and would send a copy to each mirror member at the same time - from a write cache perspective, RAID 1 looks like a single drive - one copy stored, one copy sent. Speed looks identical to a single drive.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @drewlander
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        @drewlander said:

        I guess the point is, the configuration is entirely circumstantial. If I was serving web pages all day and not storing tons of micro data, then faster reads would be useful.

        it is purely a theoretical case where reads are not useful. There are pure read systems, there are mixed use, there are write heavy systems but there really aren't any real world use cases for a pure write system. You are always reading the data sometime.

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        • drewlanderD
          drewlander @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          concerns remain the same, t

          Any experience with LSI fastpath using SSD arrays as cache on the front end for a larger array of SAS spinning drives on the back end? LSI says its super fast, but that is their job to tell me that. I have been debating implementing one server like this to see how it goes.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            Windows software solution, AFAIK it's dead now that virtualization has taken over. It was some bizarre and foolish approach using software to control the hardware. Bad idea.

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            The CacheCade approach was much more sound.

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            • drewlanderD
              drewlander @drewlander
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              Thats what I thought too. So if I wanted to make a major upgrade to these servers it would be better for me to use the SSD I already have for cachecade RAID1, then buy 4 2.5" 6Gb/s 15K 300Gb drives for a RAID5. That sound right?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @drewlander
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                @drewlander said:

                Thats what I thought too. So if I wanted to make a major upgrade to these servers it would be better for me to use the SSD I already have for cachecade RAID1, then buy 4 2.5" 6Gb/s 15K 300Gb drives for a RAID5. That sound right?

                Very likely. But we aware that CacheCade is read only acceleration. It works great, but only helps writes by getting reads out of the way.

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                • drewlanderD
                  drewlander @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller Ah yes. I forgot that its a "hot data" caching system. I dont know if that is particularly useful for me.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    Intel has started calling Blind Swap - "Surprise Hot Plug".

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller why?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                        @dustinb3403 said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                        @scottalanmiller why?

                        No idea. But it is decently clear.

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                        • dafyreD
                          dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                          Intel has started calling Blind Swap - "Surprise Hot Plug".

                          Because you're surprised when you blindly swap the right drives?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                            @dafyre said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                            Intel has started calling Blind Swap - "Surprise Hot Plug".

                            Because you're surprised when you blindly swap the right drives?

                            The system is surprised, to say the least.

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                            • dafyreD
                              dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                              @dafyre said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                              Intel has started calling Blind Swap - "Surprise Hot Plug".

                              Because you're surprised when you blindly swap the right drives?

                              The system is surprised, to say the least.

                              Also: Holy Necropost, Batman!

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                                @dafyre said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                                @dafyre said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Hot Swap vs. Blind Swap:

                                Intel has started calling Blind Swap - "Surprise Hot Plug".

                                Because you're surprised when you blindly swap the right drives?

                                The system is surprised, to say the least.

                                Also: Holy Necropost, Batman!

                                Ha, but with new updates.

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