Win7PRO to Win10PRO Upgrade
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@Dashrender said:
You mentioned your store experience - what was the issue.
I've got to run for now but can hit on this quick.
Fox Sports has an app that works well on Android for streaming. They offer it on Windows too, through a browser on 7. I was trying to run it to a TV with HDMI, but after logging in, it worked until the point where you start the stream, and then sat there indefinitely. Tried in 3 different browsers ranging from add-ons to completely stock. So I broke out the old computer, and in 10 you can't do it through a browser and need to install an app.
That 10 minutes was pretty goofy. One or two big half-screen dialog boxes with no text and an OK button, just from opening and starting to navigate.
I'm trying to think exactly what the weirdest part was regarding. After I made it to the app page, it had a couple preinstall checkboxes, maybe they were for automatic updates, or location services. And I remember if I picked one option, the page would just refuse to load, and show me an empty apparent error. After trying the other option, it loaded normally now that it had forced me to that opposite option.
Then there was one more similar round of that, where the option I chose just loaded to a blank page, until trying the option I didn't want let it start to work like it was supposed to. I couldn't have made it up. It would have been a stretch for the normal range of Android glitches and seemed senseless on a desktop.
A lot of this is just the app developers, and when I opened the app it failed at the same point it had on Windows 7. But the store was weird before I made it that far too.
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In 10 you can't do it through a browser? Why not? If you installed Chrome or FF on Windows 10, it wouldn't run? WTF? Are you saying the website knew it was Windows 10 and refused to run outside of their what appears to be a crappy app?
You should be able to solve that by changing the browser string in Chrome or FF (though if the site is doing IP stack scanning to check Windows version, you'll need an IP stack proxy program (that I only just learned about last week - thanks Steve Gibson) that will obfuscate your IP stack.
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@Dashrender said:
In 10 you can't do it through a browser? Why not? If you installed Chrome or FF on Windows 10, it wouldn't run? WTF? Are you saying the website knew it was Windows 10 and refused to run outside of their what appears to be a crappy app?
You should be able to solve that by changing the browser string in Chrome or FF (though if the site is doing IP stack scanning to check Windows version, you'll need an IP stack proxy program (that I only just learned about last week - thanks Steve Gibson) that will obfuscate your IP stack.
Because he only tried Edge obviously. Edge has no plugin infrastructure yet. This is a huge failing on MS' part.
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@Dashrender said:
@iroal said:
I'm in the same situation, 17 Dell Desktops with W7
I upgraded one machine using Windows Update, no error in all the process, looking the license appear as correctly activated.
Now I'm going to create a image to clone the computers, using this tutorial you can activate W10 licence before install it
Interesting. If this works, this will be the first way to use cloning/imaging that appears (without reading the EULA) to be legal to deploy images without using VL media.
I'm wondering, does running gatherosstate.exe do the process that actually registers your machine with MS? Or is that not handled until the associated GenuineTicket.xml file is run under the Windows 10 install?
I have to assume the latter, otherwise why bother doing the latter?
I would be interested to know - if after doing this and verifying that it's activated, if you wipe the machine again, and install Win10 from scratch again, will it auto activate without the need to save this file?
I will be testing this out. And regarding your last question, yes. Because a clean install of Windows 10 does not have this file.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@iroal said:
I'm in the same situation, 17 Dell Desktops with W7
I upgraded one machine using Windows Update, no error in all the process, looking the license appear as correctly activated.
Now I'm going to create a image to clone the computers, using this tutorial you can activate W10 licence before install it
Interesting. If this works, this will be the first way to use cloning/imaging that appears (without reading the EULA) to be legal to deploy images without using VL media.
I'm wondering, does running gatherosstate.exe do the process that actually registers your machine with MS? Or is that not handled until the associated GenuineTicket.xml file is run under the Windows 10 install?
I have to assume the latter, otherwise why bother doing the latter?
I would be interested to know - if after doing this and verifying that it's activated, if you wipe the machine again, and install Win10 from scratch again, will it auto activate without the need to save this file?
I will be testing this out. And regarding your last question, yes. Because a clean install of Windows 10 does not have this file.
LOL of course a clean install doesn't have that file.
I'm just trying to work out the process and timing when MS puts information about your hardware on their servers to authenticate you?
It would be awesome if it happened when gatherosstate.exe runs. If that was the long and the short of it, and we didn't need that XML file, life would be awesome, we run that, it registers the Windows 7/8/8.1 machine with MS and bam Bob's your uncle. Now you upgrade to Windows 10 whenever you want, be that today, or 2 years from now.
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@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@iroal said:
I'm in the same situation, 17 Dell Desktops with W7
I upgraded one machine using Windows Update, no error in all the process, looking the license appear as correctly activated.
Now I'm going to create a image to clone the computers, using this tutorial you can activate W10 licence before install it
Interesting. If this works, this will be the first way to use cloning/imaging that appears (without reading the EULA) to be legal to deploy images without using VL media.
I'm wondering, does running gatherosstate.exe do the process that actually registers your machine with MS? Or is that not handled until the associated GenuineTicket.xml file is run under the Windows 10 install?
I have to assume the latter, otherwise why bother doing the latter?
I would be interested to know - if after doing this and verifying that it's activated, if you wipe the machine again, and install Win10 from scratch again, will it auto activate without the need to save this file?
I will be testing this out. And regarding your last question, yes. Because a clean install of Windows 10 does not have this file.
LOL of course a clean install doesn't have that file.
I'm just trying to work out the process and timing when MS puts information about your hardware on their servers to authenticate you?
It would be awesome if it happened when gatherosstate.exe runs. If that was the long and the short of it, and we didn't need that XML file, life would be awesome, we run that, it registers the Windows 7/8/8.1 machine with MS and bam Bob's your uncle. Now you upgrade to Windows 10 whenever you want, be that today, or 2 years from now.
It cannot activate then.
The system is in the wrong state. It would make a system hash against your current OS not Windows 10.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@iroal said:
I'm in the same situation, 17 Dell Desktops with W7
I upgraded one machine using Windows Update, no error in all the process, looking the license appear as correctly activated.
Now I'm going to create a image to clone the computers, using this tutorial you can activate W10 licence before install it
Interesting. If this works, this will be the first way to use cloning/imaging that appears (without reading the EULA) to be legal to deploy images without using VL media.
I'm wondering, does running gatherosstate.exe do the process that actually registers your machine with MS? Or is that not handled until the associated GenuineTicket.xml file is run under the Windows 10 install?
I have to assume the latter, otherwise why bother doing the latter?
I would be interested to know - if after doing this and verifying that it's activated, if you wipe the machine again, and install Win10 from scratch again, will it auto activate without the need to save this file?
I will be testing this out. And regarding your last question, yes. Because a clean install of Windows 10 does not have this file.
LOL of course a clean install doesn't have that file.
I'm just trying to work out the process and timing when MS puts information about your hardware on their servers to authenticate you?
It would be awesome if it happened when gatherosstate.exe runs. If that was the long and the short of it, and we didn't need that XML file, life would be awesome, we run that, it registers the Windows 7/8/8.1 machine with MS and bam Bob's your uncle. Now you upgrade to Windows 10 whenever you want, be that today, or 2 years from now.
It cannot activate then.
The system is in the wrong state. It would make a system hash against your current OS not Windows 10.
eh? I suppose if it needs to include something specific from Win10 in the hash, OK fine, but that seems completely unnecessary. The hash only needs to be tied to the hardware. Are you telling the the hardware hashes would be different under Win10 vs anything else?
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and now I have another question - can the same XML file be used to authorize more than one machine? or is the old Install key used?
I would guess that the old key could be used, but OEM machine were all installed using the same key until the OEMs started putting the install key into the BIOS. There are (or were) millions of machines with Windows 7 installed that came with a generic OEM install key.
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@Dashrender said:
In 10 you can't do it through a browser? Why not? If you installed Chrome or FF on Windows 10, it wouldn't run? WTF? Are you saying the website knew it was Windows 10 and refused to run outside of their what appears to be a crappy app?
You should be able to solve that by changing the browser string in Chrome or FF (though if the site is doing IP stack scanning to check Windows version, you'll need an IP stack proxy program (that I only just learned about last week - thanks Steve Gibson) that will obfuscate your IP stack.
Yes, the page ends up on a message forcing you to the app.
Interesting idea for a workaround.
@JaredBusch said:
Because he only tried Edge obviously. Edge has no plugin infrastructure yet. This is a huge failing on MS' part.
IE and Edge. I'll leave the tone alone.
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before working around it, I'd try Chrome or FF.
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@scottalanmiller, curious if 10 has been more solid for you lately? It seems like within the last few weeks had been seeing reports of multiple restarts daily.
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@ryanblahnik said:
@scottalanmiller, curious if 10 has been more solid for you lately? It seems like within the last few weeks had been seeing reports of multiple restarts daily.
Scott has retired for the evening, it's 12:40 AM where he is.
He also recently moved to a Linux desktop, he's not running Windows as his daily driver anymore as far as I know.
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Also, Scott's issues are Scott's. He was having the same problem with a brand new MacBook.
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@ryanblahnik said:
@scottalanmiller, curious if 10 has been more solid for you lately? It seems like within the last few weeks had been seeing reports of multiple restarts daily.
It's slowed down because my usage case has changed some, but it is still there. I mostly use it for gaming and it is probably Intel hardware that is at fault, but the stability remains bad. But I don't believe it is Windows 10 (over Windows 7/8 /8.1) that is the issue as much as just Windows doesn't have a firm control of its own console.
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Wow there was a lot of chatter here while I was away!
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@iroal said:
I'm in the same situation, 17 Dell Desktops with W7
I upgraded one machine using Windows Update, no error in all the process, looking the license appear as correctly activated.
Now I'm going to create a image to clone the computers, using this tutorial you can activate W10 licence before install it
I was wondering, what version of the installer are you using to clone? I though legally you could only clone VL media based installs. I don't know if VL based installs will activate through the the normal home type mechanism.
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@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
Another question/thought is that I am going to be upgrading to a 2012 domain shortly. Should I do the Win10 upgrade AFTER that for group policy reasons?
You can update the GP central store. domain level doesn't affect GP.
Even on a Server 2003 domain?
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BTW: I upgraded my machine. No issues so far.
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@BRRABill said:
BTW: I upgraded my machine. No issues so far.
I take that back. OneDrive is not working.
But that's some crazy third party application. Why would I expect that to work with Windows 10?
Wait a minute!
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@BRRABill said:
@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
Another question/thought is that I am going to be upgrading to a 2012 domain shortly. Should I do the Win10 upgrade AFTER that for group policy reasons?
You can update the GP central store. domain level doesn't affect GP.
Even on a Server 2003 domain?
You have me there, I don't know. Can you have a central store in 2003 only Domain?
