The Cloud is great =/≠ Co-lo is dead
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@scottalanmiller (in another thread, said)
"We do not. We used to but in this day and age there is no way for us to provide those things at value when ownCloud, Office 365, Amazon, Azure, Rackspace and others do it at a scale and quality that small providers could never achieve. We've have to charge too much and not deliver the same quality level that those players can do to be able to do that ourselves."This is not directed at @scottalanmiller I'm just using his quote as a means to exchange some straight talk (no marketing BS) as to why one might lean one way vs the other.
Service's like email (Office365) & file access/sharing (Dropbox, ownCloud), I'd do in the cloud 100%.
I'm referring to Infrastructure & Application type servers. -
A lot of it comes down to what is and isn't a commodity service and specific needs of the business.
Let's take application servers. Need a simple website? You will never compete with the likes of A Small Orange. They are too cheap to beat and their solution is plenty good.
But lets say you need to run a custom app or something very rare. There might not be a good hosting provider for that service (although nearly all enterprise apps will host through a PaaS provider somewhere.) If you have a need to run something very custom or with certain scale running your own servers and putting them in a colo can be quite ideal.
Storage and ERP are workloads pushing people heavily to their own systems currently today, along with pre-Windows 10 AD. Colo allows you to run a LOT of workloads at very low cost.
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Cloud processing and Colo are used for different purposes.
I don't see where @scottalanmiller is saying the colo is dead. I think he's saying smaller providers can't compete with the big guys in providing cloud/hosted services (SaaS).
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@Jason said:
I don't see where @scottalanmiller is saying the colo is dead. I think he's saying smaller providers can't compete with the big guys in providing cloud/hosted services (SaaS).
Right, not suggesting colo is dead at all. Hosted services, cloud computing and colo are all separate things and all very much needed.
What I was saying was dead, and has been for a very long time, is the viability of small players offering commoditized hosted services, which include cloud computing itself. Applications like email, web, DNS, and such are completely commodity and the big players have costs so low and quality so high that no one without literally billions to throw at the problem could enter the market today with a viable product.
Today is a great example of this because Verizon is bowing out of the cloud market because they were unable to get the scale necessary to compete. Amazon, Azure, Rackspace and IBM crushed Verizon and others like them because there is just no way to go it as well as they do.
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I'm actually a huge fan of colo and have this article that talks about it round about:
http://www.smbitjournal.com/2013/06/when-to-consider-a-private-cloud/
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The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
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@Jason said:
Cloud processing and Colo are used for different purposes.
I don't see where @scottalanmiller is saying the colo is dead. I think he's saying smaller providers can't compete with the big guys in providing cloud/hosted services (SaaS).
@Jason The reason why you can't see it, is because he never said it. I just used his quote to start a discuss
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@scottalanmiller said:
The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
In the Canada or NY area?
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@FATeknollogee said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
In the Canada or NY area?
upstate NY, spitting distance to toronto
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@FATeknollogee said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
In the Canada or NY area?
We don't know yet.
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@MattSpeller said:
@FATeknollogee said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
In the Canada or NY area?
upstate NY, spitting distance to toronto
No, the nearest discussed location is near NYC. There are no datacenter colo facilities worth discussing in upstate NY.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@FATeknollogee said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
In the Canada or NY area?
upstate NY, spitting distance to toronto
No, the nearest discussed location is near NYC. There are no datacenter colo facilities worth discussing in upstate NY.
whoops, figured it'd be at your hq
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@FATeknollogee said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The NTG Lab is prepping this week to a new colo, in fact!
In the Canada or NY area?
upstate NY, spitting distance to toronto
No, the nearest discussed location is near NYC. There are no datacenter colo facilities worth discussing in upstate NY.
whoops, figured it'd be at your hq
That's where it is now. Moving to colo soon.
