Rocket Chat vs. Jabber
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
Not fake at all, it's very real AD. It's just not on Windows. But it is completely AD. Remember AD is a copy of LDAP, not the other way around.
Group Policy has been available from Linux since the 1990s.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@Jason said:
7 users? do you even need exchange or office? if not use OpenOffice/Libre and a good hosted mailserver no point in the extra's of exchange if you don't need it.
Hosted email and Libreoffice all the way.
I actually agree that we have no need for AD, but at least I know my way around it now.
Although Samba4 lowers the threshold for using it as it is free.
yeah, you can create a whole fake AD in Linux now-a-days. complete with Group Policies, etc.
Not fake at all, it's very real AD. It's just not on Windows. But it is completely AD. Remember AD is a copy of LDAP, not the other way around.
Group Policy has been available from Linux since the 1990s.
Thanks for the correction. I knew it wasn't right, but I had to have a way to get you to talk about it.
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@IRJ said:
you have to add users to your friend list one at a time.
You can push out Lists, in addition to using the LDAP search.
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I just setup rocket chat on my local vm to test, the voice/video call never worked for me. Tried on my DO instance, same issue.
@scottalanmiller does video/voice call/screensharing works for you?
On Win/ MAC browser- clicking on video/voice on the browser, bring me the permission popup for granting access to cam and audio, but then i get a black screen.
On the desktop client- the button click doesnt do anything!
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@Ambarishrh said:
@scottalanmiller does video/voice call/screensharing works for you?
A lot of times those require tie ins to a PBX or telepresense system to work.
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@Ambarishrh said:
I just setup rocket chat on my local vm to test, the voice/video call never worked for me. Tried on my DO instance, same issue.
@scottalanmiller does video/voice call/screensharing works for you?
On Win/ MAC browser- clicking on video/voice on the browser, bring me the permission popup for granting access to cam and audio, but then i get a black screen.
On the desktop client- the button click doesnt do anything!
I'll have to test.
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Make sure you actually edit those environment variables... I forgot to do that, and the Web site would work fine, but the mobile client wouldn't work at all.... probably because it was trying to connect to the LAB url that was in the original script.
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Following up, how is this project going?
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The only reason we haven't completely moved to Rocket.Chat is because it does not have XMPP support, but you bet when it's there, we're moving everything over. Currently we use something internally built that's a nightmare to deal with. If it takes too long, I may just contribute to that project myself and make something, or fork it if they don't want it
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@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
The only reason we haven't completely moved to Rocket.Chat is because it does not have XMPP support, but you bet when it's there, we're moving everything over. Currently we use something internally built that's a nightmare to deal with. If it takes too long, I may just contribute to that project myself and make something, or fork it if they don't want it
Have you tried Mattermost? If not, why not? If so, what did you like better about Rocket.Chat?
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@scottalanmiller said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
The only reason we haven't completely moved to Rocket.Chat is because it does not have XMPP support, but you bet when it's there, we're moving everything over. Currently we use something internally built that's a nightmare to deal with. If it takes too long, I may just contribute to that project myself and make something, or fork it if they don't want it
Have you tried Mattermost? If not, why not? If so, what did you like better about Rocket.Chat?
Yes and it was a piece of shit that was way more difficult to deal with, with fewer overall features. Rocket.Chat is closer to my ideal, just in general. Granted time has passed and this may not be true any more, but when I am ready to move things over I will look into all options again, but for now I'm mostly waiting on Rocket.Chat.
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Cool, was wondering as I'd just played with both a tiny bit and not enough to see how they were different yet. Rocket.Chat felt like it had the momentum and mindshare for a reason, but Mattermost seems to have more Slack API functionality ready (from what I've seen listed only.)
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Is there any reason in particular that it has to work with XMPP? I've not read the OP again... But if you need Desktop / Mobile clients, RocketChat offers those as well.
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XMPP makes it able to connect to a lot of existing infrastructure.
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@dafyre said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
Is there any reason in particular that it has to work with XMPP? I've not read the OP again... But if you need Desktop / Mobile clients, RocketChat offers those as well.
Yes, exactly what @scottalanmiller said. We've got a lot of communication, notification, and other things which use it. Our web cam and credit exchange system (the messaging aspects) and our chat system also use it, and while Rocket.Chat is more for internal use in our case, pushing/pulling information from these other services will be easier.
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@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@dafyre said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
Is there any reason in particular that it has to work with XMPP? I've not read the OP again... But if you need Desktop / Mobile clients, RocketChat offers those as well.
Yes, exactly what @scottalanmiller said. We've got a lot of communication, notification, and other things which use it. Our web cam and credit exchange system (the messaging aspects) and our chat system also use it, and while Rocket.Chat is more for internal use in our case, pushing/pulling information from these other services will be easier.
I'm also going to be testing out a KVM orchestration system tonight that uses XMPP.
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@johnhooks said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@dafyre said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
Is there any reason in particular that it has to work with XMPP? I've not read the OP again... But if you need Desktop / Mobile clients, RocketChat offers those as well.
Yes, exactly what @scottalanmiller said. We've got a lot of communication, notification, and other things which use it. Our web cam and credit exchange system (the messaging aspects) and our chat system also use it, and while Rocket.Chat is more for internal use in our case, pushing/pulling information from these other services will be easier.
I'm also going to be testing out a KVM orchestration system tonight that uses XMPP.
Let me know how that goes... I'm running KVM as my hypervisor in my personal server right now.
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@dafyre said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@johnhooks said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@tonyshowoff said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
@dafyre said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
Is there any reason in particular that it has to work with XMPP? I've not read the OP again... But if you need Desktop / Mobile clients, RocketChat offers those as well.
Yes, exactly what @scottalanmiller said. We've got a lot of communication, notification, and other things which use it. Our web cam and credit exchange system (the messaging aspects) and our chat system also use it, and while Rocket.Chat is more for internal use in our case, pushing/pulling information from these other services will be easier.
I'm also going to be testing out a KVM orchestration system tonight that uses XMPP.
Let me know how that goes... I'm running KVM as my hypervisor in my personal server right now.
I will! If it works well, I'll do a write up. From the video I saw it looks pretty cool. It has migration (which KVM has through virsh, but whether it's local or shared storage I'm not sure) but you just click migrate. You can also do the other stuff you would expect from XMPP like "How are you doing?" and it gives you the uptime and whatever.
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So I attempted the install last night. There aren't any rpm packages, so I downloaded the source from GitHub and ran their like 4 installers. The web interface came up with the logo but nothing else in it. I tried getting the agent installed on the server, but that failed. I changed the giant amount of data in the configs they wanted changed, and ran everything from their Readme, but still got errors when I tried to start the agent. I just gave up. I'll stick with Virt-Manager and virsh.
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@johnhooks said in Rocket Chat vs. Jabber:
So I attempted the install last night. There aren't any rpm packages, so I downloaded the source from GitHub and ran their like 4 installers. The web interface came up with the logo but nothing else in it. I tried getting the agent installed on the server, but that failed. I changed the giant amount of data in the configs they wanted changed, and ran everything from their Readme, but still got errors when I tried to start the agent. I just gave up. I'll stick with Virt-Manager and virsh.
Setting it up definitely is not easy to do, that's the most major problem for now I think. I hope once they reach whatever goals they're trying to shoot for, they focus on making it easy to setup.
