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    • NicN
      Nic @BRRABill
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      @BRRABill said in Powerline Adapter Security:

      Dang, here's some info:
      http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nemo/papers/ISPLC2007_AV_Security.pdf

      One of the things I never even thought of was that the system could be compromised if an attacker came into your house and paired their own Powerline adapter with your encryption key.

      But that would mean they would have to be in your house and also have access to your other adapters. And still that would only give them access to the network itself.

      Physical access trumps everything anyway.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch @Nic
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        @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

        @BRRABill said in Powerline Adapter Security:

        Dang, here's some info:
        http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nemo/papers/ISPLC2007_AV_Security.pdf

        One of the things I never even thought of was that the system could be compromised if an attacker came into your house and paired their own Powerline adapter with your encryption key.

        But that would mean they would have to be in your house and also have access to your other adapters. And still that would only give them access to the network itself.

        Physical access trumps everything anyway.

        Pretty much always.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Nic
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          @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

          @BRRABill said in Powerline Adapter Security:

          Dang, here's some info:
          http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nemo/papers/ISPLC2007_AV_Security.pdf

          One of the things I never even thought of was that the system could be compromised if an attacker came into your house and paired their own Powerline adapter with your encryption key.

          But that would mean they would have to be in your house and also have access to your other adapters. And still that would only give them access to the network itself.

          Physical access trumps everything anyway.

          Yeah, of course that could be done. But if they were in your house and you had Ethernet, they'd just plug in and that would be far easier.

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          • A
            Alex Sage
            last edited by Alex Sage

            The question is....

            • How do we know that the signal stops at the meter?
            • Could the people next door be connecting too?
            • What about the power company?

            I use and trust powerline networking. Great for a apartment, where you don't want to run cable, etc.

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            • wirestyle22W
              wirestyle22 @Alex Sage
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              @aaronstuder said in Powerline Adapter Security:

              The question is....

              • How do we know that the signal stops at the meter?
              • Could the people next door be connecting too?
              • What about the power company?

              I use and trust powerline networking. Great for a apartment, where you don't want to run cable, etc.

              I just run the cabling anyway. I have a full network rack in my living room above my TV.

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @Alex Sage
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                @aaronstuder said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                The question is....

                • How do we know that the signal stops at the meter?

                It doesn't. The signal goes all the way to the transformer (weather it's a useful signal or not.)

                • Could the people next door be connecting too?

                Possibly.

                • What about the power company?

                Almost definitely.

                I use and trust powerline networking. Great for a apartment, where you don't want to run cable, etc.

                I'd trust it as well, so long as the encryption is turned on.

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                • wirestyle22W
                  wirestyle22 @travisdh1
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                  @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

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                  • NicN
                    Nic @wirestyle22
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                    @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                    @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

                    speed is awesome these days. better than wifi by a mile

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                    • wirestyle22W
                      wirestyle22 @Nic
                      last edited by

                      @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                      @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                      @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

                      speed is awesome these days. better than wifi by a mile

                      Crazy. Back in the day it was awful. I've never needed to research it for any company I've ever worked for so I sort of forgot about it/ignored it. Interesting to hear.

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                      • NicN
                        Nic @wirestyle22
                        last edited by

                        @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                        @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                        @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                        @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

                        speed is awesome these days. better than wifi by a mile

                        Crazy. Back in the day it was awful. I've never needed to research it for any company I've ever worked for so I sort of forgot about it/ignored it. Interesting to hear.

                        Yeah that was my impression too, but I tried it out recently and it's gotten way better. I tried these out and home and they are fantastic:
                        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWRUICG/

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                        • travisdh1T
                          travisdh1 @wirestyle22
                          last edited by

                          @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                          @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

                          The speed was a downside to the tech in the first couple of years after it was released. You can reliably get 500Mbps connections now (making sure you're on the same leg of the breaker panel). While it's not gigabit, that is really impressive for pushing data over power lines.

                          The downsides are large with powerline. Like I said before, the speed is only good when they are on the same side of the breaker panel distribution. The other leg will often be very slow and barely usable. The other downside is that the nature of the tech is that if you do proper power filtering you kill performance, so the devices are relatively short lived.

                          If you need it, those problems are a small price to pay.

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @Nic
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                            @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                            @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                            @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                            @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                            @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

                            speed is awesome these days. better than wifi by a mile

                            Crazy. Back in the day it was awful. I've never needed to research it for any company I've ever worked for so I sort of forgot about it/ignored it. Interesting to hear.

                            Yeah that was my impression too, but I tried it out recently and it's gotten way better. I tried these out and home and they are fantastic:
                            https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWRUICG/

                            $40? That's a much better price than anytime I had looked at those things.

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                            • NicN
                              Nic
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                              yeah and you can just add as many as you need to make your house one big hub. Plug one into the router, then one in any room that you need a drop.

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                              • travisdh1T
                                travisdh1 @Nic
                                last edited by

                                @Nic said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                                yeah and you can just add as many as you need to make your house one big hub. Plug one into the router, then one in any room that you need a drop.

                                At that price put a couple right beside the main power panel. Being me I'm not afraid to add an outlet or two and actually get it done properly.

                                I wonder how most properties ever passed inspection

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
                                  last edited by

                                  @wirestyle22 said in Powerline Adapter Security:

                                  @travisdh1 @aaronstuder What about speed though? I always thought it was super gimped and should only be used in situations where wireless can't be used but you can't run cabling at all.

                                  They've been pretty crazy fast for years now.

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